[Noisebridge-discuss] Wingnuts

Christina Olson daravinne at gmail.com
Fri Feb 3 13:36:05 PST 2012


i suggest we bring this guy in for a Noisebridge: In Depth.  the last
one had a woman who apparently spoke at length about how water had
feelings, so i think this guy would be right in line with the usual
subject material.



On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kelly <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com> wrote:
> Like all events, if this guy came to speak at Noisebridge, it should
> involve some discussion with the community:
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hosting_an_Event
>
> While Noisebridge is open to anyone's event by default, this is still
> subject to the one rule, Be Excellent. A good way to make sure that an
> event passes this test is coming to the tuesday meeting and/or getting
> a member to sponsor the event, as suggested by the Hosting page.
>
> In the past, there have been events which it turned out were unwelcome
> at Noisebridge, and social/political conflict is one of the reasons
> that this might be the case. I remember a meeting once where we came
> to the conclusion that the Boy Scouts of America organization was
> incompatible with Noisebridge for event purposes because of their
> anti-homosexual policies. The idea here is that it's not excellent to
> invite events or people into the space who will make members of the
> community feel unsafe. This is of course a difficult metric to draw a
> hard line on, but getting meeting or member approval really seems to
> be a pretty good litmus test.
>
> That said, I don't think it sounds like this guy would be welcome at
> Noisebridge. I would personally be really pissed off if he gave a talk
> in the space. It would take a near-consensus for me to reconsider
> this.
>
> -Kelly
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:03, Tony Longshanks LeTigre
> <anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:47 PM, BAH A <synrhabdosomeunarrayaaoe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Wait... are you for real?  Why should Noisebridge resources be devoted to
>>> Duesberg in anyway? How is inviting Duesberg over for a nice talk furthering
>>> the cause of benevolent open hacking in San Francisco?  Do you realize who
>>> this guy is?  Go read some fun stuff like
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/27/south-africa-aids-mbeki
>>>
>>
>> Oh no, for god's sake don't give him money! I didn't mean that.
>>
>> I just meant, I'm willing to listen open-mindedly to his presentation,
>> because freedom of speech includes all sorts of things we may not want to
>> hear and everyone deserves a fair chance and blahblahblah. There are aspects
>> of Duesberg's situation that compel me: the man who speaks an unpopular
>> truth, crusading against the establishment forces that would silence him.
>> How can you not want to identify with that romantic rebel image, on some
>> level? And then again, the idea that Big Pharma might have perpetrated a
>> major hoax on the public in order to garnish vast financial rewards from the
>> suffering and pestilence of the masses seems entirely within the realm of
>> possibility - at least if you're an anarcho-squatting technomutant prone to
>> conspiracy theories, as am I. If HIV doesn't cause AIDS, or isn't the only
>> thing that causes AIDS - to put it more generally - I'd like to see the
>> evidence of that. At this stage,  without having looked seriously at
>> Duesberg's case or evidence - if he has any - I lean towards thinking that
>> his theory will end up being proven, by lab analysis, to be authentic 100%
>> FDA certified BullShit. But who knows? Just last night I was watching a TV
>> thing about seismologists who believe they may have stumbled onto evidence
>> that humans lived in North America 30,000 years earlier than previously
>> believed. I don't really give a shit which side is right - I don't have an
>> emotional investment in it - but I say: sounds possible, let's hear the
>> pitch!
>>
>> Then, if things unfortunately don't go so well for the intrepid challenger
>> to received wisdom, you thank them for their time, press the TRAP DOOR
>> button, and down the hatch they go.
>>
>> This is what democracy looks like (?)
>>
>>
>> xo
>>
>> Your friendly neighborhood Tiger
>>
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