[Noisebridge-discuss] You Can't Do That at Noisebridge!

jim jim at systemateka.com
Sat Feb 4 11:35:55 PST 2012



    just to be clear: my comment doesn't intend to 
stigmatize homelessness (i've been there, too). 
    but i believe only homeless might attempt to live 
in the space, by which i mean sleeping, washing, 
cooking, and so on, and living in the space may be 
grounds for eviction. 




On Sat, 2012-02-04 at 11:26 -0800, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2012 9:17 AM, "jim" <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >
> >    The strong argument against sleeping is that it may
> > violate the terms of our lease. It's important to
> 
> The fact that it discourages hacking, mentioned upthread, is probably
> a stronger argument. We are a diverse group but there is a general
> disrespect for the rule of law for its own sake, and lots of
> understanding about the need to hack.  Even more important, defending
> the space's hackworthiness is easier to rally behind than defending
> the lease terms.
> 
> > distinguish napping from sleeping in that sleeping may
> > indicate homelessness and an attempt to live in the space.
> >
> 
> Lots of valued members are homeless. We need to be careful to keep
> from stigmatizing that, because we are a precious source of internet
> to that community.  We will always need to work towards reinforcing
> and maintaining community standards about what ways are acceptable for
> using the space.  This is what Noisebridge does. We stake out 5200
> square feet - this space is for hacking. We commit to defend and
> maintain it, against external threats and problems within. We pay the
> rent so the man doesn't kick us out. We pay the 'lectricity so we can
> zap all our things. We tell the secret service to fuck right off. WE
> work on interacting with each other, so we don't IMPLODE!
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 18:12 -0800, Anthony LeTigre wrote:
> > > On 2/2/2012 1:39 PM, Kelly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since the sleeper controversy seems to be especially problematic
> > > > lately, I'm trying to coordinate some data collection about the
> > > > sleeping problem.
> > > Excellent idea, Kelly! If they're going to sleep anyway, we may as
> > > well get some data out of it. It could lead to breakthroughs in
> our
> > > understanding of sleep disorders ranging from light
> > > recreational-drug-induced comas to post-gluttony fatigue syndrome
> to
> > > garden-variety homelessness. Technology has a role to play.
> There's an
> > > Android app that charts each individual's sleep patterns and wakes
> > > them at the optimal point in their sleeping trajectory. We might
> use
> > > the renegade Noisesleepers as a test group to develop new and even
> > > more relaxing technological wizardry!
> > > >
> > > > I've made a wiki page for the Rooster Brigade, a volunteer group
> of
> > > > noisebridgers who are willing to stand up (or sit down and type)
> and
> > > > name people who are sleeping at Noisebridge.
> > >
> > > Finding a rooster that can talk is going to be tough
> enough.....let
> > > alone one willing to name names.
> > >
> > > > The goal of this effort
> > > > is partly so daytime noisebridgers can learn about the nocturnal
> > > > community, but also so that the nocturnal community can learn
> about
> > > > the goals of the larger community.
> > >
> > > To be fair, maybe we should meet the nocturnal community halfway,
> on
> > > their turf......our first meetup might be a wide-awake talking and
> > > thinking type scenario, but the second should probably be a group
> > > sleeping session of some kind - at least a 15-minute cat nap. (Or
> > > "power nap," as they're called by people who don't like cats).
> > > >
> > > > Here's how you can help!
> > >
> > > FYI, I usually stop reading when I come across this
> > > phrase..........tonight I'm feeling extra helpful, though.
> > > >
> > > > 1. If you see someone sleeping at noisebridge, find out who they
> are.
> > > > This can be accomplished by asking others in the space,
> photographing
> > > > them and asking someone later, or waking them and asking
> yourself.
> > >
> > > I propose a "passive-aggressive, kill'-em-with-kindness" approach
> to
> > > the issue, to wit: If you see a member of the nocturnal community
> > > actively sleeping at Noisebridge, wake them every 15 minutes on
> the
> > > dot and ask, "Hey, it's me again, I just noticed you were sleeping
> and
> > > I wanted to check in and make sure you have everything you need.
> Would
> > > you like a glass of water or coffee? Something stronger, perhaps?
> We
> > > just got some new things in from China that are sure to be illegal
> > > soon, so get it while it's hot! Anyhow, I'm right here, so just
> let me
> > > know....."
> > >
> > > Another option might be the "You Can't Do That at Noisebridge!"
> > > approach: rigging a bucket of green slime above the sofas and
> dumping
> > > it unceremoniously upon anyone violating the Sleep Not ordinance.
> Or
> > > we could go Carrie style....
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. Write their name on the wiki on the day and time you
> encountered
> > > > them sleeping. A brief description of the situation is also
> helpful.
> > > > Were they faceplanted in a soldering iron?
> > > Even worse.....narcoleptics in the wood shop! Those table saws
> don't
> > > care what's in front of em, they'll cut a bitch.
> > > > Did they have a sleeping
> > > > bag, luggage or houseplants?
> > > In all seriousness......I think lusher foliage would add a lot to
> the
> > > space. I see this as a positive.
> > >
> > > Well, I think I've been helpful enough for one evening. I feel the
> War
> > > on Sleep is off to an Excellent start and I have every confidence
> that
> > > we can win this thing.
> > >
> > > xo
> > >
> > > --
> > > TLongshanksLT
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