[Noisebridge-discuss] A modest proposal.

Danny O'Brien danny at spesh.com
Wed Feb 8 20:37:24 PST 2012


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:

> Burning man is a different experience entirely.  The whole point there
> is to act with reckless abandon as a spectator and to strive to
> achieve dangerous new heights as an artist.  And there are lots of
> wonderful disclaimers warning you of the risk involved.
>
> This is not the case with noisebridge.
>

Says you!

Although maybe we should consider having some even more vivid disclaimers.
And of course the term of art "trolling the gods" should never extend or
imply intentional wanton or reckless acts, nor gross negligence, now or in
the past or future. That would be wrong.

 d.


> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> You cannot have both without tempting fate.  We've had every warning
> >> possible that something bad will happen here.  When it does some
> >> asshole will probably say you were told this would happen.  But that
> >> doesn't change a goddamned thing.
> >>
> >
> > There are definitely things that can be done to mitigate disaster, and
> one
> > of the endearing things that you don't really see on this mailing list or
> > IRC is just how many of those steps are regularly taken at NB, usually
> > without fuss or discussion because they're obviously good ideas.
> >
> > I know it always seems like Noisebridge is constantly on fire or about to
> > overtaken by armed brigands, but last night there were fifty or so people
> > working on everything from spacebridge to start-ups to sewing to
> > camera-hacking. There were thirty people alone working on the problems
> > you're hearing here. Others were fixing stuff, making it safer, cleaning
> it
> > up.
> >
> > That said, there are *endless* terrible fate-temptations that Noisebridge
> > engages in. When one of the million really dreadful things that everyone
> > envisages happens (out of the ones that have not already happened),
> > *everyone* will say goddamit we knew that this would happen.
> >
> > People get killed at Burning Man, which is *insane*, and entirely
> > predictable. They are tempting fate for art, which I hope you will agree
> is
> > an even more lowly pursuit than soldering in the early morning.
> >
> > The question is, of course, what things should you quit doing, and what
> > things should you pursue given the risks. Very specifically at the
> meeting
> > someone brought up the joy of the 1AM soldering lesson, and someone else
> > brought up your calculus. The feeling of the meeting was, I think, on the
> > side of the joy, rather than the fear of the drama.
> >
> >> Stop tempting fate for no good reason.
> >
> >
> > We're all tempting fate, it's what we do when we defy augury. What are
> good
> > and bad reasons to do so is a lot harder to determine, and up to the
> > respective communities to decide.
> >
> > If it worries you, think of it less as tempting fate, and more as
> trolling
> > the gods.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Problem:  Noisebridge has some security / personal safety issues.
> >> >> Solution Proposal:
> >> >>
> >> >> Close noisebridge at 11pm PST every weekday and close at midnight on
> >> >> Friday and Saturday evenings.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Like many proposals currently being kicked around, this is perfectly
> >> > reasonable one, which has been somewhat discussed to death in previous
> >> > rounds. A lot of NB members really like it being open late, and it's
> one
> >> > of
> >> > the things that a lot of people want to keep that there's somewhere in
> >> > San
> >> > Francisco where you can hold a soldering class at 4AM.
> >> >
> >> > It, and the related one of it being members-only after hours gets
> >> > discussed
> >> > a lot in meeting, carefully considered, and then rejected.
> >> >
> >> > I know, we is crazy. But we're very picky in what craziness we want.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> And I mean universally closed.  No exclusions and no exceptions.
>  Like
> >> >> last call at a bar.  You can always go home but you can't stay here.
> >> >>
> >> >> Results:
> >> >>
> >> >> No more crazy vagrants show up in the late hours to prey upon folks.
> >> >> No more crashing at noisebridge by homeless jerkfaces who like to
> ruin
> >> >> a good thing for everyone.
> >> >> No more drunks showing up to annoy people.
> >> >> No more risk of getting jacked up on your way to the bart / bus /
> bike
> >> >> / hanglider... etc because the sun is not around.
> >> >> No impact on the open nature of the space, as when the space is
> >> >> available all are welcome.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> TADA!
> >> >>
> >> >> Mission Accomplished.
> >> >>
> >> >>  - Matt Joyce
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> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
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