[Noisebridge-discuss] KISS solution to Access control & Safety

Tom noisebridge at flamsmark.com
Thu Feb 9 15:43:09 PST 2012


Any system that relies on the security of the upstairs door faces the
problem the the elevator goes from outside that door to inside that door.

I very much like Kelly's proposal. I don' t think that we should aim to
remove the buzzer entirely, just make it's use sufficiently rare that folks
are skeptical and quizzical when letting people in. This might extend to
use of the camera, or even talking to people that are let in.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
>    Anything that involves software is unlikely to
> be KISS-compliant.
>    I like the idea that the upstairs door is always
> locked and whoever's on the inside must let the
> outside person in. It's not perfect, but it's not
> the enemy of the good, either.
>    Some last person leaving the space empty? Oh,
> well; next person's gotta wait for someone who's got
> a key. Unlikely to wait longer than for a muni bus.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 13:24 -0800, Kelly wrote:
> > I am getting together a group, rooted in the social engineering group,
> > to implement a doorcode system modeled after the system at Essex hot
> > tub in Berkeley. They have a large set of virally distributed codes.
> > Community regulars often have several codes. When there is a problem
> > night, all codes used that night are disabled.
> >
> > I would welcome help on this project. There should be a bit more
> > description of it in the notes from this week's meeting. Probably get
> > on the social engineering mailing list if you want to keep up on
> > progress.
> >
> > I figure hard key use would remain the same. Doorcodes would replace
> > the buzzer and would provide temporary access that people can
> > comfortably distribute freely. I think there will still be some issues
> > to work out, but I think it will address several of our problems.
> > Right now the big question is whether we can spread codes widely
> > enough to remove the doorbell entirely. That's my hope.
> >
> > -Kelly
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15, Casey Callendrello <c1 at caseyc.net> wrote:
> > > Oh, this is such an awesome idea. Indoors, a keypad is easy.
> Alternatively,
> > > we could hook up that A-key switch...
> > >
> > > -c.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/9/2012 9:57 AM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> > >
> > > What about a code being required in order to operate the buzzer from
> the
> > > inside, ie you need to know a code to let other people in?
> > >
> > > mediumreality.com
> > >
> > > On Feb 8, 2012 12:45 PM, "Jonathan Lassoff" <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:43 PM, girlgeek <girlgeek at wt.net> wrote:
> > >> > A variant on this suggestion:
> > >> > If an unknown person hits the buzzer,  instead of someone having to
> go
> > >> > downstairs, they can be let up and greeted at the hall door with
> another
> > >> > locked door and doorbell.  They can then be vetted upstairs.  I'm
> lazy.
> > >>
> > >> That would make great use of our way-awesome porthole window.
> > >>
> > >> Why did the lock on the top-of-stairs door ever get taken off?
> > >>
> > >> --j
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