[Noisebridge-discuss] KISS solution to Access control & Safety

jim jim at well.com
Thu Feb 9 17:10:21 PST 2012


    I think it's okay that the upstairs door is locked but 
the elevator is (theoretically) accessible. Only the 
intrepid will try the elevator, and there's some chance 
that the elevator won't work at the time the intrepid bad 
personage tries to use it. Overall the scheme has a pretty 
good filtering affect of keeping drunks and incompetents 
more nearly at bay. 
    The idea isn't perfect, but it seems an improvement over 
the way things are. Maybe at some future time we could deal 
with elevator access and control (e.g. locked doors on the 
roomlet where the trash and elevator are). 

    One angle we should consider with respect to the street-
facing door is our downstairs neighbors: don't want to lock 
them out. 
    (Another angle is community geekiness unintentionally 
excludes those who are not technically equipped to use the 
particular chosen technology; another is that the more 
complex, the greater the risk of failure; another is the 
more homebrewable, the greater the risk of our hacking 
ourselves out of access on a regular basis...). 



On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 15:43 -0800, Tom wrote:
> Any system that relies on the security of the upstairs door faces the
> problem the the elevator goes from outside that door to inside that
> door.
> 
> I very much like Kelly's proposal. I don' t think that we should aim
> to remove the buzzer entirely, just make it's use sufficiently rare
> that folks are skeptical and quizzical when letting people in. This
> might extend to use of the camera, or even talking to people that are
> let in.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>         
>         
>            Anything that involves software is unlikely to
>         be KISS-compliant.
>            I like the idea that the upstairs door is always
>         locked and whoever's on the inside must let the
>         outside person in. It's not perfect, but it's not
>         the enemy of the good, either.
>            Some last person leaving the space empty? Oh,
>         well; next person's gotta wait for someone who's got
>         a key. Unlikely to wait longer than for a muni bus.
>         
>         
>         
>         On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 13:24 -0800, Kelly wrote:
>         > I am getting together a group, rooted in the social
>         engineering group,
>         > to implement a doorcode system modeled after the system at
>         Essex hot
>         > tub in Berkeley. They have a large set of virally
>         distributed codes.
>         > Community regulars often have several codes. When there is a
>         problem
>         > night, all codes used that night are disabled.
>         >
>         > I would welcome help on this project. There should be a bit
>         more
>         > description of it in the notes from this week's meeting.
>         Probably get
>         > on the social engineering mailing list if you want to keep
>         up on
>         > progress.
>         >
>         > I figure hard key use would remain the same. Doorcodes would
>         replace
>         > the buzzer and would provide temporary access that people
>         can
>         > comfortably distribute freely. I think there will still be
>         some issues
>         > to work out, but I think it will address several of our
>         problems.
>         > Right now the big question is whether we can spread codes
>         widely
>         > enough to remove the doorbell entirely. That's my hope.
>         >
>         > -Kelly
>         >
>         > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:15, Casey Callendrello
>         <c1 at caseyc.net> wrote:
>         > > Oh, this is such an awesome idea. Indoors, a keypad is
>         easy. Alternatively,
>         > > we could hook up that A-key switch...
>         > >
>         > > -c.
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > On 2/9/2012 9:57 AM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
>         > >
>         > > What about a code being required in order to operate the
>         buzzer from the
>         > > inside, ie you need to know a code to let other people in?
>         > >
>         > > mediumreality.com
>         > >
>         > > On Feb 8, 2012 12:45 PM, "Jonathan Lassoff"
>         <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
>         > >>
>         > >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:43 PM, girlgeek
>         <girlgeek at wt.net> wrote:
>         > >> > A variant on this suggestion:
>         > >> > If an unknown person hits the buzzer,  instead of
>         someone having to go
>         > >> > downstairs, they can be let up and greeted at the hall
>         door with another
>         > >> > locked door and doorbell.  They can then be vetted
>         upstairs.  I'm lazy.
>         > >>
>         > >> That would make great use of our way-awesome porthole
>         window.
>         > >>
>         > >> Why did the lock on the top-of-stairs door ever get taken
>         off?
>         > >>
>         > >> --j
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