[Noisebridge-discuss] Upstairs door latch mechanism?

jim jim at systemateka.com
Fri Feb 10 20:25:33 PST 2012


    I witnessed most of it and was sorry that people 
decided not to welcome the guy into our fold. 




On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 12:43 -0800, Danny O'Brien wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:06:30AM -0800, Casey Callendrello wrote:
> > It is being proposed as an imperfect but doable solution to a known
> > problem: gate riders. We saw it happen last night, thanks to your video
> > camera (which, btw, is awesome). It was someone who lived in a SRO and
> > been told that Noisebridge was "a cool place to sit and use the
> > Internet." We told him otherwise, that NB is for projects, and he
> > wandered off. It happened to be myself, Shannon, and WillS. I would not
> > have felt comfortable with these sorts of confrontations alone, every
> > day, and I don't think that's weird.
> 
> I want to just touch on this event, actually, because I think it shows
> some of the many social complexities of the camera, an access code
> system, and other ways of applying more social pressure.
> 
> What happened, as I saw it, was the guy was buzzing to be let in. A
> group of three people (Casey, Shannon and WillS) were standing by the
> camera, discussing its use, and pretty much decided not to let him in,
> based partly I think on the experiment of not letting people in, and
> partly because his appearance: he was a hesitant-looking hispanic guy,
> in a baseball cap. I can't think of any other way that you'd be able to
> judge who should come in apart from appearence using the current system.
> 
> Anyway, just as everyone was deciding not to let him in, he got buzzed
> in anyway through the pony.noise/gate button. 
> 
> I wasn't paying much attention to the details of the conversation that
> ensued, but from Casey's description, Will, Shannon and Casey managed to
> get from this guy that he lived in an SRO, and asked him what he wanted
> at Noisebridge, and then he left. From the outside, it was three guys
> pretty much being bouncers at the Noisebridge top door.
> 
> Afterwards, there was a general discussion about how fantastically
> awkward and somewhat upsetting doing that whole thing was. I think that
> was true for all parties. 
> 
> I don't know whether he was gate riding -- when I got there, he had just
> buzzed and was waiting to be let in.
> 
> Here were the conclusions I drew from this:
> 
> 1) A camera means that people may end up deciding not to let people in based
> solely on their appearance. 
> 2) Not everyone is going to agree with that decision, so people are going to be
> let in anyway.
> 3) Somebody still has to act all bouncerly. Unless we tool up MC
> Hawking, somebody still has to Not Let Someone In, which is actually a
> far more active thing to do than it sounds.
> 
> I guess I'm going to continue to think and act more on improving 3) than
> other stuff. I do want us to think more about how to preserve our
> diversity -- there's no reason why we can't maintain our boundaries and
> also be welcoming to people.
> 
> My immediate suggestion for 1) is to maybe put the 86 list
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/86 by the camera, to make it clear that
> it's supposed to stop *certain* people coming in, not certain *classes*
> of people in.
> 
> anyway, that's all.
> 
> d.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > I think it is impossible to solve access solely in the sidewalk gate,
> > but agree that it would be preferable. Can the glass doors be brought
> > back in to service? More important than the physical security gained by
> > locking upstairs is the message it sends: that Noisebridge is a place
> > that cares about who enters.
> > 
> > Lets be honest: By disabling all but one lock mechanisms, and buzzing in
> > whoever had the hacker skill to ring the doorbell, Noisebridge
> > essentially relied on security through obscurity. Every hacker knows
> > that, at some point, obscurity cannot last. That time for us has passed.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 02/10/2012 02:34 AM, Jake wrote:
> > >
> > > We need to focus on bouncing people at the sidewalk door.  If you are 
> > > having trouble understanding this concept, please ask some people whose 
> > > opinion you trust before continuing with this idea of locking the upstairs 
> > > door.
> > >
> > 
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