[Noisebridge-discuss] Upstairs door latch mechanism?
jim at systemateka.com
Fri Feb 10 20:28:16 PST 2012
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:57 -0800, Liz Henry wrote:
> I would let someone in who wanted to use the wifi and would give them a
> tour, and do not care if they look scruffy or where they live as long as
> they don't live at Noisebridge.... I have asked people to leave when
> they behave badly. Here is hoping that we don't bar people from entering
> because they "look homeless" whatever that means. Heinous!!!! Base that
> on behavior.... Even if that is behavior as they're asking to come in.
> If they are drunk and loud and out of control or make some kind of
> threat then find enough people to ask the person to leave all in a group.
> - Liz
> On 2/10/12 1:43 PM, David Estes wrote:
> > On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Danny O'Brien<danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:06:30AM -0800, Casey Callendrello wrote:
> >>> It is being proposed as an imperfect but doable solution to a known
> >>> problem: gate riders. We saw it happen last night, thanks to your video
> >>> camera (which, btw, is awesome). It was someone who lived in a SRO and
> >>> been told that Noisebridge was "a cool place to sit and use the
> >>> Internet." We told him otherwise, that NB is for projects, and he
> >>> wandered off. It happened to be myself, Shannon, and WillS. I would not
> >>> have felt comfortable with these sorts of confrontations alone, every
> >>> day, and I don't think that's weird.
> >> I want to just touch on this event, actually, because I think it shows
> >> some of the many social complexities of the camera, an access code
> >> system, and other ways of applying more social pressure.
> >> What happened, as I saw it, was the guy was buzzing to be let in. A
> >> group of three people (Casey, Shannon and WillS) were standing by the
> >> camera, discussing its use, and pretty much decided not to let him in,
> >> based partly I think on the experiment of not letting people in, and
> >> partly because his appearance: he was a hesitant-looking hispanic guy,
> >> in a baseball cap. I can't think of any other way that you'd be able to
> >> judge who should come in apart from appearence using the current system.
> >> Anyway, just as everyone was deciding not to let him in, he got buzzed
> >> in anyway through the pony.noise/gate button.
> >> I wasn't paying much attention to the details of the conversation that
> >> ensued, but from Casey's description, Will, Shannon and Casey managed to
> >> get from this guy that he lived in an SRO, and asked him what he wanted
> >> at Noisebridge, and then he left. From the outside, it was three guys
> >> pretty much being bouncers at the Noisebridge top door.
> >> Afterwards, there was a general discussion about how fantastically
> >> awkward and somewhat upsetting doing that whole thing was. I think that
> >> was true for all parties.
> >> I don't know whether he was gate riding -- when I got there, he had just
> >> buzzed and was waiting to be let in.
> >> Here were the conclusions I drew from this:
> >> 1) A camera means that people may end up deciding not to let people in based
> >> solely on their appearance.
> >> 2) Not everyone is going to agree with that decision, so people are going to be
> >> let in anyway.
> >> 3) Somebody still has to act all bouncerly. Unless we tool up MC
> >> Hawking, somebody still has to Not Let Someone In, which is actually a
> >> far more active thing to do than it sounds.
> >> I guess I'm going to continue to think and act more on improving 3) than
> >> other stuff. I do want us to think more about how to preserve our
> >> diversity -- there's no reason why we can't maintain our boundaries and
> >> also be welcoming to people.
> >> My immediate suggestion for 1) is to maybe put the 86 list
> >> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/86 by the camera, to make it clear that
> >> it's supposed to stop *certain* people coming in, not certain *classes*
> >> of people in.
> >> anyway, that's all.
> > I believe this was me.
> > I'm not equipped to handle vetting anyone who happens to be standing
> > in front of the gate. I also don't feel safe enough in this city to
> > directly tell people on the street not to follow me inside, especially
> > when they've heard we let "anyone" in.
> > What would have been a better response to this situation?
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