[Noisebridge-discuss] Upstairs door latch mechanism?

jim jim at well.com
Sat Feb 11 23:03:48 PST 2012



    I'm surprised. really. 
    I __meant__ the homeless hackers, as in starving hacker 
(our cut-rate deal for the down-and-out but enthusiastic)--
I did not mean all homeless. 
    Someone who's broke, maybe homeless or sro or otherwise 
constrained, __and__ who's interested in some kind of hacking, 
might find Noisebridge a really helpful place (unless, of 
course, that person encountered some established types who'd 
grown unhappy with some bad state of Noisebridge and turned 
sour on scruffy people, as if they might be good scapegoats). 

    My point is not to offer a space to the homeless, but 
rather "don't judge people by their homeless appearances:   <-----!!! 
they might be hackers or at least hackerly inclined." 

    This whole discussion has a bad smell to it. There is a 
problem, but the discussion doesn't seem positively to address 
it, whatever the problem is. If you don't like people sleeping 
here, tell them; if you feel weird about that, then get a gang 
together and all tell them (and maybe you can hide at the back 
of the crowd). 

    If you want to hack, whatever that means to you, as 
Crutcher's sign said, "shut up and hack!" 

    And maybe good to ask "what __is__ hacking, anyway, and to 
whom?" Seriously. 

    Whatever hacking is, the idea of Noisebridge has been to 
bring together people with diverse interests with the hope of 
cross-pollinating various arts and technologies. That's best 
done with a welcoming attitude, and that seems largely missing 
from the recent discussions. 

    Tell me I'm wrong. 




On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 21:47 -0800, Shannon Lee wrote:
> "noisebridge has a lot to offer the homeless" is not at all the point,
> I think.  Lots of places have lots of things to offer the homeless;
> and it seems to be a repeating pattern that wherever people offer a
> space to the homeless, the homeless make the space something nobody
> else wants to be in.  this has happened to the public libraries, it
> has happened to public parks, it has happened to all the lovely public
> squares around city hall.
> 
> 
> Honestly, I do not feel at all obligated to provide services to the
> homeless at Noisebridge.  Lots of spaces provide services to the
> homeless here in San Francisco.  We should focus on providing services
> to hackers.
> 
> 
> And before someone says "what about homeless hackers" maybe just save
> your cleverness for a giant robot, hmmm?
> 
> 
> --S
> 
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 7:52 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>         
>         
>            Seems to me that Noisebridge has a lot to offer homeless
>         and SRO dwellers and others in constrained circumstances: Our
>         tools and LAN and library and such seem a really good fit.
>         
>         and....
>            Thanks for the link to Getting_in ; I have to say that
>         none of it seemed workable for me, some of it was beyond my
>         experience to make sense out of it
>         
>         Run this
>         1f8b0808214c384e00036e6f6973656272696467655f676f6c662e736800
>           1dccbd0e82301440e1dda7b861b913342e6ec64466df80012bb7d04be5a7
>           ad94367d7809f3c977e833cc804b34ba32516e1c9c54962bc3946c4d9c1e
>           13ebfb2b0639f2f34c98bd85a2a5d3d5e10b8a67dbc9f734426fe23238d8
>           68f7b0fe74c2eca88392009d00217a6c8b432e564f5e0136fbed8a6d998a
>           0cc73141232e7f46c143d68d000000
>         Hint:
>         cat noisebridge_golf|xxd -r -p|gunzip
>         
>         I'm familiar with Unix shells. It makes no sense to me to run
>         the text blob; and the cat command makes no sense without
>         knowing on what machine and with what current directory to
>         pipe the cat command to the xxd command.
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 15:33 -0800, Tao wrote:
>         > Chris rocks. He was talking about one of the awesome ways
>         listed at https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Getting_In
>         >
>         > I am really deeply offended at the presumption and
>         accusation that he was breaking in. We need to treat each
>         other with respect.
>         >
>         > I have plenty of friends who are homeless or living in an
>         SRO or other nonstandard living conditions, and that says
>         nothing about their ability to be a hacker or an opera singer.
>         There is no reason to be prejudiced.
>         >
>         > What matters is your attitude, use of the space, and care
>         for it.
>         >
>         > Peace,
>         > Tao
>         >
>         > Sent from my iPhone
>         >
>         > On Feb 11, 2012, at 14:34, Christopher Maujean
>         <cmaujean at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >
>         > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 9:31 AM, maestro
>         <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>         > >> # +1 jim...
>         > >> # i am very interested to know this as well...
>         > >> # are you breaking into noisebridge hence showing others
>         on the street (that
>         > >> you don't even know are watching you, and everyone is
>         ALWAYS watching in the
>         > >> mission and you won't see them) how to get in...
>         > >> # perhaps this is why so many dodgy fucks have started
>         getting in and are
>         > >> attracted to the door...
>         > >> # word of mouth is quick on the streets...
>         > >>
>         > >> end comments
>         > >>
>         > >>
>         > >>
>         > >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, jim <jim at well.com>
>         wrote:
>         > >>> ...
>         > >>>    i'm curious to know how you get in without buzzing.
>         > >>> people are different; seems better not to judge, at
>         least
>         > >>> not right away.
>         > >>>
>         > >
>         > > As far as getting in goes, I open the front door using the
>         methods
>         > > listed on the wiki, meaning, I walk up to the door,
>         manipulate my
>         > > phone for a moment, and the door unlocks. I go inside,
>         firmly shut it
>         > > behind me, climb the stairs, and use the space, I've never
>         let anyone
>         > > in for any reason, and don't plan to until I possibly gain
>         membership
>         > > in the future, at which point I'll consider the concept.
>         > >
>         > > My earlier point about myself was, don't judge people for
>         being
>         > > homeless or living in an SRO, judge them for using the
>         space
>         > > inappropriately. Having a standard living situation is not
>         a
>         > > prerequisite to being a hacker.
>         > >
>         > > --Christopher
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