[Noisebridge-discuss] Tired of Noisebridge BS, As of Late

jim jim at well.com
Wed Feb 15 16:49:32 PST 2012


    I'll chip in $200 (and hope to get repaid over time that 
or credited toward membership?). 
    And I recall that you, Shannon, said we'd store the bins 
on the shelves, yes? Sounds good to me. 



On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 16:35 -0800, Shannon Lee wrote:
> we ought to buy 80 of these:  http://is.gd/UCQIsE
> 
> 
> then everybody gets a bin; the bins are lockable; and we can move
> things around without mixing up everybody's stuff and making a mess.
> 
> 
> I have a couple of hundred bucks to put into a "get us some bins"
> project.
> 
> 
> --S
> 
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM, miloh <froggytoad at gmail.com> wrote:
>         
>         On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jonathan Lassoff
>         <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
>         > So, I'm not sure if this came from "Hacker Alley being
>         hacked", but I
>         > was at Noisebridge the other night and found some of my
>         belongings in
>         > this big wooden crate by the e-waste area... getting ready
>         to be
>         > thrown out.
>         >
>         > This was especially lame, as they were clearly labeled with
>         my name
>         > (photo attached).
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > It's becoming increasingly clear to me that Noisebridge has
>         jumped the
>         > shark somewhat. The people I find myself most running into
>         there are
>         > not into technology, hacking, or really Noisebridge. I've
>         found them
>         > to be mostly belligerent, uninterested in rational
>         conversations, and
>         > seemingly trying to push various political agendas.
>         >
>         > I'm getting tired of seeing the Hackerspace that I worked so
>         hard to
>         > help build, fall apart, both socially and physically.
>         > Like a radically-inclusive cell membrane in
>         heavily-salinated water,
>         > new influences are rushing in from all directions and we're
>         beginning
>         > to pop. The organelles that were keeping the cell working
>         are being
>         > pushed out, and I feel like we're falling apart.
>         >
>         > I'm tired of fighting entropy all the time, just to keep the
>         status quo.
>         > I miss the Noisebridge I came to know and love.
>         >
>         > The people and the technology are still out there -- we may
>         be moving
>         > apart, but I suspect we'll reform as the right conditions
>         form.
>         >
>         > Cheers
>         
>         
>         Thanks for the wakeup call jof,
>         
>         Last night, I also found something with my name on it in the
>         elevator
>         room. Moved it back to the hacker shelves area.  I get really
>         pissed
>         off about this sort of thing, because it's happened before,
>         and
>         because when it happens we lose the trust of valuable members.
>         I can't
>         stand to see more folks get their trust in the noisebridge
>         community
>         abused.  It makes me very ambivalent about the space.
>         
>         Does anyone else want to make like an amoeba and split? I feel
>         like it
>         sometimes. Last night I think I made up my mind. I came into
>         noisebridge on Tuesday evening, apprehensive and on guard
>         after a
>         pretty tough circuit hacking Monday. I started to feel better
>         as
>         people showed up to check out ZiP.  By the end of the night I
>         was
>         thrilled to meet some awesome new folks, attend a meeting with
>         more
>         stacks than a wafflehouse, announce the ZiP zine release, play
>         with
>         jake's hacky geiger counter made from soviet era surplus GM
>         tubes*,
>         and even to EXCHANGE PGP KEYS!
>         
>         I think I'll stick it out, pitch in and be a tough little
>         Golgi
>         apparatus. For awhile longer.
>         
>         Don't let that fool you though. I want to love reoganization
>         of the
>         shelves but I dont. I do enjoy changes such as the visibility
>         towards
>         the fire escape, new fab area, laserengraver placement, and
>         long table
>         and EElab setup. But when I see all the work that went into
>         the
>         original build out that got wasted, I get very upset.
>         
>         For instance, the outlets and electrical along the south wall
>         are now
>         obstructed and largely useless, shelves are not in a good
>         final
>         configuration yet they are overflowing with personal effects,
>         and some
>         crappy guard posts of particularly crappy design are nailed
>         into the
>         floor. Everyone's stuff on the user/member shelves is a grand
>         mess.
>         Many bins I bought for new members and hackshelf orga are
>         missing or
>         in pieces. The network drops near horsy that I and others put
>         together
>         for the plotters were tossed aside and the plotters are
>         currently
>         relegated to an unusable area by the kitchen.  The craft and
>         sewing
>         area is smaller in its current form and the cutting tables
>         need access
>         from all sides to be useful.
>         
>         While I realize facilities and maintenance will be an eternal
>         concern
>         at noisebridge, I don't think an average user should devote
>         more than
>         10-20% of their available time on those issues.  The rest of
>         time
>         should be freed up for the grand hacks.
>         
>         I came back from 45 days in Germany* wanting to see some grand
>         noisebridge projects get realized, and to see some new
>         inter-hackerspace projects get initiated this year. It's time
>         to
>         multi-thread the big long term projects and dreams into my
>         time at
>         noisebridge,  K GUISE? Anyone else with me?
>         
>         As for the my ongoing tithe of 20%+ noisetime, here's my
>         chosen
>         contribution to fixing the shelf kerfuffle:
>         
>         I'm going back to reboot the member shelves audit, and to get
>         in touch
>         with everyone who has shelf space for an inventory and
>         detailed
>         descriptions of anything missing.  Of course this project is
>         one of
>         the things that Al was working on and sadly met resistance for
>         trying.
>         
>          On that note, I must say I salute all the disenchanted,
>         disappointed
>         and disavowed noisebridgers that gave their effort and time to
>         the
>         space, only to see it continue in purgatory.  I'm aiming for a
>         better
>         place able to host some exciting projects in the coming year.
>         
>         -rma
>         
>         *Did anyone hear that I was in Germany for 45 days?
>         
>         I just got back!*
>         
>         If you are reading this now, congrats rebel, you just broke my
>         grammatical 20goto10 loop. :-)
>         
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> Shannon Lee
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> 
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