[Noisebridge-discuss] banning "Occupy"

Miguel el.badbit at gmail.com
Fri Feb 17 12:05:39 PST 2012


I'm curious as to what happened to Wish and her mayoral campaign. Exactly
how did you played bad cop?



On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 5:17 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
<rachelyra at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am happy to play bad cop, as I have done with Wish (crazy person running
> a mayoral campaign out of NB) and Rob 2.0 (who I confronted many times,
> once at 3am) and Jorgen (due to behavior best discussed off-list) and 2 or
> 3 occupy folks that I already knew.  All you gotta do is talk to me about
> specific problematic individuals.  Since rising property values cost me my
> warehouse in soma, I have moved to east bay and am not around as much to
> notice on my own which people are problems.
>
> Since I am part of occupy, I will be doocratically taking action there as
> well.  I suspect the problem, though, is that assholes append themselves to
> any social group willing to tolerate them. Don't blame occupy, and maybe
> when people visit 2169 they won't blame noisbridge.
>
> Hold individuals accountable for their actions, and hack the surrounding
> culture in order to influence those actions.
>
> R.
>
> mediumreality.com
> On Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM, "Wladyslaw Zbikowski" <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Fact: a number of annoying non-hackers are semi-living at the space,
>> and have stated to me their belief they are entitled to do this
>> because of Occupy. I have invited some of these folks to tonight's
>> meeting so they can get on the same page as the rest of Noisebridge.
>> Rachel, I would appreciate it if you could personally disabuse them of
>> this notion and explain the purpose of a hacker space, since you "talk
>> their language".
>>
>> Fact: s/Occupy/Tastebridge/
>>
>> Live long and prosper.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
>> <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I have been making suggestions on how to begin dealing, as a group, in
>> the
>> > emails I have been writing. They are not prescriptive, but suggestive
>> and
>> > open-ended, in the hopes of soliciting opinions, feedback, and further
>> input
>> > from the community.  If you didn't notice, because of the way many of us
>> > look for fully-baked answers to be handed out without any input, well,
>> maybe
>> > you should go reread my messages and think about the ideas I put into
>> them,
>> > and the directions I suggest.
>> >
>> > An approach to problem solving that happens on this list all the time,
>> that
>> > I see you modeling here, is sort of problematic. You are stating a
>> > prescriptive solution to a communal problem, and then creating a
>> conceptual
>> > framework where what you have proposed is a communal solution.
>> Individuals
>> > who make proposals should be ready to have their ideas incorporated
>> into a
>> > giant meta-idea that is made by synthesizing EVERYONE's ideas, not just
>> one
>> > person's...unless there is natural and automatic support for that one
>> idea.
>> > You know what's harder than having an idea? Working out an idea that
>> > everyone agrees to. You know what would create the sense of community
>> > support you are seeking? Working out an idea that everyone agrees to.
>> >
>> > This particular idea is actually, to my mind, counterproductive,
>> because it
>> > creates a false sense of permanent solution to a problem that is in fact
>> > perennial.  Also, it creates guidelines that we are committing to
>> > selectively follow. Like the sit/lie law. Which is lame.
>> >
>> > Also the occupy website team meets at noisebridge, and anyone who
>> doesn't
>> > like it can go suck an egg.
>> >
>> > Love you jake!
>> >
>> > <3
>> > R.
>> >
>> > mediumreality.com
>> >
>> > On Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I look forward to hearing your suggestions on ways of dealing with the
>> >> problems.
>> >>
>> >> I still think my idea is great but i am disappointed that more people
>> >> don't understand how it works.  If people belong at noisebridge they
>> will
>> >> not be at all discouraged by our policy of No Occupy Allowed.
>> >>
>> >> What's the first rule of fight club?  Same thing with occupy.  If you
>> meet
>> >> buddha on the road, kill him.  If someone comes to noisebridge and says
>> >> they're "from occupy" kill them.  If they are there to hack, instead of
>> >> killing them you can encourage them to drop the "occupy" tagline
>> because we
>> >> have trauma associated with that.
>> >>
>> >> You said yourself that we need to meet these challenges with hackerlike
>> >> creativity.  I think that if everyone who is being a dick is also
>> >> identifying as being "from occupy" then a simple solution is to "ban
>> >> occupy".
>> >>
>> >> and that is step one toward uniting out community to back each other up
>> >> onto a mutually-agreed concept.
>> >>
>> >> -jake
>> >>
>> >>> Jake, I think this suggestion stinks. I am surprised you even made it.
>> >>> That
>> >>> guy was being a jerk, which is already not allowed. Why attempt to
>> bar a
>> >>> highly relevant political movement, which you support, instead of just
>> >>> telling dicks to stop being dicks?
>> >>>
>> >>> I think a lot of what people are seeking in these various conflict
>> >>> situations, is a sense of the community backing you up.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dude.
>> >>>
>> >>> It backs you up when someone is being lousy, regardless of whether
>> they
>> >>> come
>> >>> from Free School or Occupy or whatever scruffy group of people find us
>> >>> next.  Banning Free School wouldn't have saved us from Occupy, and
>> >>> banning
>> >>> Occupy wouldn't save us from assholes. It would save us from helping
>> save
>> >>> the world from capitalism.  If it helps we can set up a page on the
>> >>> Occupy
>> >>> website about noisebridge, and not being lame. Then if you need backup
>> >>> against dicks from occupy, you can show them a page on their own
>> website
>> >>> saying not to be dicks.
>> >>>
>> >>> R.
>> >>>
>> >>> mediumreality.com
>> >>>
>> >>> On Feb 13, 2012 4:20 PM, "Kelly" <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>      I think that occupiers who want to hack things should check in
>> >>>      with
>> >>>      the Hackupy group: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hackupy who
>> >>>      seem
>> >>>      to have the potential to do occupy work excellently. Do we have
>> >>>      a
>> >>>      contact person for that contingent?
>> >>>
>> >>>      -Kelly
>> >>>
>> >>>      On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:17, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
>> >>>      wrote:
>> >>>      > If you ban occupiers don't they just camp wherever you banned
>> >>>      them from?
>> >>>      >
>> >>>      > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> >>>      >> There have been a few over-the-top assholes staking their
>> >>>      claim to be at
>> >>>      >> noisebridge lately, who are saying that they are welcome
>> >>>      because they are
>> >>>      >> "occupy"
>> >>>      >>
>> >>>      >> I propose that we ban Occupy from noisebridge.  That way,
>> >>>      assholes who use
>> >>>      >> physical intimidation against people questioning why they're
>> >>>      at
>> >>>      >> Noisebridge will have one less "reason" besides puffing
>> >>>      themselves up like
>> >>>      >> a rooster.
>> >>>      >>
>> >>>      >> Please don't troll in response to this post.  Yes I do
>> >>>      understand that we
>> >>>      >> have met many excellent hackers through occupy, but those
>> >>>      people are smart
>> >>>      >> enough to wink when asked if we should "ban occupy" from
>> >>>      noisebridge.
>> >>>      >>
>> >>>      >> Do you have a story to share about an asshole claiming to be
>> >>>      from "occupy"
>> >>>      >> who is trying to occupy noisebridge in a bad way?
>> >>>      >>
>> >>>      >> -jake
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