[Noisebridge-discuss] Trash is Not Negotiation
jim at systemateka.com
Fri Feb 17 14:27:15 PST 2012
I was hoping to promote introspection, even suggested
There are some overtones in some messages that suggest
something like righteousness or a group searching for goats
or some such. I think there's something to that, but it's a
personal call on the part of each person. Is everyone
happily hacking? Is anyone caught up in a moment?
I like that the place is getting better organized.
At the very least, actions are too hasty, a downside of
For example, the south sub-panel is now inaccessible.
NE Code requires 36 inches around it and nothing in the way
(time was sub-panels could be located in clothes closets,
no more--got to be accessible from a walkable area).
Other examples are that people's stuff, properly marked
and stored, has been lost or otherwise gone missing (Rayc
found my bin, but it was empty--everything missing but the
label on the outside).
Another example is the central desk--a good place to
look for office supplies and labels and such, specially the
central location; and anyone sitting there looked to
someone entering the space like a greeter. I lived in a
community where we tried to have scheduled chores; it
worked about 50% of the time, which was great. Maybe bring
back the desk and repeatedly suggest that persons wishing
to give back to the space should sit there and be available
to new arrivals.
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 13:30 -0800, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> I think it is counterproductive to tell people their frustration is
> What might be more productive is to tell justin and rayc specifically,
> hey guys, you have been seriously over the line with the rearrangement
> stuff. Please know that the boldness of doocracy only helps the
> community if it is tempered with research, discussion, warnings, and a
> willingness to adjust your attitude based on overwhelming negative
> There are lots of positive things about the new layout, and new
> layouts happen periodically, but there should be humble public
> assumption of responsibility for fixing problems caused by doocratic
> actions. Justin & rayc, I am singling you out here because you are the
> ones who have posted about this rearrangement. The way to fix things
> is not to justify yourselves with explanations but to offer assurances
> that you will finish what you started, in a timely fashion, while
> incorporating the feedback of others instead of constantly asserting
> your voice.
> Rubin, this is not the first time you've tried to solve a problem by
> putting perfectly functional technology on the curb RIGHT THEN. You
> might think it's funny, or cute, but it just makes everyone else's
> life harder and is incredibly. Fucking. Selfish.
> Tao, what you are suggesting, labels for trash, used to be in a little
> station with markers by the elevator. They got used up and never
> replaced. If you are interested in helping the community, suggestions
> *with follow through* are what we really need. Maybe you'd like to set
> it up? I bet Rayc would help you, I think he even built the original
> labeling station.
> On Feb 17, 2012 11:55 AM, "jim" <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> There's some kind of attitude wrongness, too;
> non-excellence, unsupportive, frustration, anger....
> On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 11:00 -0800, Tao Neuendorffer Flaherty
> > I'm hearing a lot of "this was in the wrong place" or "I
> don't like this" or "I don't know what this is for" and so I'm
> going to do-ocratically Throw It Out.
> > That's not strategy. People aren't learning to be neater;
> they're learning that Noisebridge is an unsafe place to work
> because your stuff might be tossed out/stolen.
> > What can we do instead? Put stickers on things saying "Is
> this trash?", accompanied by a Noisebridge post? Put things
> with date tags in a place of "claim this within a month or
> it's gone"?
> > Peace,
> > Tao
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