[Noisebridge-discuss] I want NoiseBridge to change.

Crutcher Dunnavant crutcher at gmail.com
Tue Feb 21 20:34:43 PST 2012


On Feb 21, 2012 10:39 AM, "jim" <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
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>
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>    There needs a definition of "hacking". The space has
> sewing machines, lots of soldering irons and oscilloscopes,
> various tools in the dirty workshop, and so on. Yet much
> of the email discusses hacking with respect to the software
> domain.
>    A week or so ago some J R hacker stopped by the space
> with an aquatic sailing device that adjusts its shape to
> optimize speed and (I think) expected to be able to do some
> work on it. Some months ago a group of French stopped by
> the space as part of their world tour to study such spaces.
> Tastebridge came out of Czeck Frantisek's persistent
> efforts.
>
>    Making a "structural change" needs clarification,
> probably with respect to the definition of hacking.
>    And probably the use of the equipment in the space ought
> to be considered in defining hacking.
>
>    Note that the AMTD discuss list so far has been devoid
> of the drama component that occasionally explodes on the NB
> discuss list. What about their structure might have a
> filtering affect?
>    For one thing, it seems that no one is sleeping there:
> as I recall, their space has no kitchen and no couches and
> does have locked doors (not easily accessible by the curious).
> Is that what we want?
>

Yes, that's what I want.
>    Trying to fix things comes with volatility. Maybe we
> don't understand our circumstance well enough. Seems to me
> good to focus on doing things that __are__ hacking as we
> each individually understand it and set a tone by example.
> Be wary of changes that require maintenance.
>    Be patient. Care hard. NB seems a natural community
> space, with the complexities that come with.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 09:00 -0800, Crutcher Dunnavant wrote:
> > Actually, I don't see J Random UNKNOWN Hacker from Tokyo being a
> > design goal of the space. Ping someone on IRC, come during open
> > visiting hours, get someone to show you the space.
> >
> > Can't make friends with someone on IRC enough to get a tour? And
> > you're going to travel from another city to visit? Yeah ... not much
> > overlap of those groups.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Wladyslaw Zbikowski
> > <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Crutcher Dunnavant <
crutcher at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> "Care extra special hard" is not a solution. We've had these problems
> > >> in oscillation since we moved into our current digs; and I believe
> > >> they're a structural problem caused by the interaction of our scale
> > >> and our government system. I'm tired of this nonsense. I'd like to
fix
> > >> it.
> > >
> > > "Fixing it" means addressing two use cases:
> > >
> > > 1. J Random Hacker walks in visiting from the Tokyo hackerspace or
> > > just drove in from Peoria after reading about us on the Make blog.
> > >
> > > 2. Person who is well known to the community, who has a total lack of
> > > interest in or respect for what a hacker space is, shows up Yet Again
> > > to spend the day/night doing Whatever It Is He/She Does All The Time
> > > Here.
> > >
> > > A reasonable requirement is that the first person is welcome while the
> > > second is not. I would like to hear how a structural solution can
> > > solve this without having to care enough to actually talk to the
> > > person.
> >
> >
> >
>
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