[Noisebridge-discuss] /missing/...

Ben Kochie superq at gmail.com
Thu Mar 1 10:28:16 PST 2012


We've done most of the work to isolate the "important" networking away
from the main rack.  There are still a few things that people rely on
in the rack so it's not exactly safe.

A few of us in the noiseops group have talked about replacing the
existing rack wtih a smaller 9U cabinet mounted above the closet
instead of the 20U rack on the floor.  The only thing stopping us is a
bit of budget money to buy the rack and a few related items to reduce
our server footprint to this smaller rack.

The other issue with setting up a dedicated experimental network rack
is the power cost.  Running a rack of servers/networking gear would be
1000-1500 watts of power.  That's another $120-180/month in power
costs.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 09:37, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>
>    (Summarizing prior discussions: ) The argument against
> using the existing rack is that it subjects the noisebridge
> LAN to people screwing up. Having a separate "lab" space
> lets people configure multiple LANs and subnets and learn
> not only the physical aspect but the logical aspect
> (configuration and use of various software tools) without
> risking screwing up the LAN that everybody else in the
> space uses for internet access.
>
>    I believe that we as a community should isolate the
> elements of infrastructure and respect the maintenance
> (hard work by a few) and not feel like we can turn
> anything and everything into a robot. This is on the order
> of cleaning toilets, maintaining saw blades and drill
> bits, the LAN, the electronic tools, the sewing machines,
> and so on so that people can use them to do interesting
> things.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 23:31 -0800, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>> Hmm.  I like the idea of a place to learn how to properly rack servers
>> and even moreso of proper cabling.  Now, I am wondering if we could
>> use the rack in the electric closet as an example or something like
>> that.  I mean it would be just like working with live stuff.  Would
>> breaking something in the electrical closet break internet for
>> everyone?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>         On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 22:16 -0800, Brian Morris wrote:
>>         > I'd sort of reconciled myself to laptops, somebody gave an
>>         ancient one
>>         > (900mhz) but I need a 15volt 4 amp powerbrick. I already
>>         went through
>>         > the bins on Tuesday afternoon. It could use a stick of pc100
>>         256mB or
>>         > two as well. The main problem is parts are expensiver and
>>         hard to find
>>         > and graphics cannot be updated.
>>
>>         JS: seems to me easy enough to make a power supply that's 15V
>>         at 4A
>>         with what's lying around. Not pretty, only clumsily portable,
>>         but
>>         do-able. Finding the RAM is a matter of luck, I'm guessing.
>>         >
>>         > If there is space in an electrical closet for storage,
>>         perhaps we
>>         > could establish some basic policy and post it where people
>>         can see it.
>>         > Labels including a recent date and contact info - or else
>>
>>         JS: I'm confused. why an electrical closet? to store what?
>>            The bins and shelves around the electronic equipment
>>         have various hackable gizmos. I think the policy is to grab
>>         something and tear it apart, use what you like, then put
>>         what you've built in some safe place (like your house or,
>>         if you're brave, "your member shelf"). I'm guessing you
>>         have something different in mind.
>>
>>         >
>>         > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:44 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com>
>>         wrote:
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >            What I would like a lot is that we all stop being
>>         >         hasty. It's easy to get off on doing stuff and
>>         making
>>         >         things better and fighting evil-doers and making
>>         things
>>         >         more in our images and so on.
>>         >            Take it easier, don't take things too seriously,
>>         >         relax, accept, focus on a personal creation, even if
>>         >         the FBI or Salvadore Dali Lama or some pornographers
>>         >         show up....
>>         >            I like that the place gets clean and cleaned of a
>>         >         bunch of crap that piles up, but in the fervor to
>>         >         accomplish goodness a bunch of people have been hurt
>>         >         and there's been toxic division. How about making a
>>         >         point to take more time, not one week but one month.
>>         >         Sure it takes more time to get less done, but it's
>>         >         worth protecting the things that matter most--each
>>         >         others' reasons to be here, no matter how wacky.
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >         On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 20:33 -0800, Ben Kochie wrote:
>>         >         > I talked to jim and it is likely the 1U computer
>>         was put in
>>         >         ewaste.
>>         >         > This is my fault for not reviewing things more
>>         closely. My
>>         >         criteria
>>         >         > for ewaste is fairly harsh.  I have already
>>         offered to
>>         >         replace the
>>         >         > machine.
>>         >         >
>>         >         > On Feb 28, 2012 5:57 PM, "maestro"
>>         <maestro415 at gmail.com>
>>         >         wrote:
>>         >         >         # in the bullshit taking shit out of
>>         turing the tote
>>         >         has been
>>         >         >         found and seems to have things in tact,
>>         however...
>>         >         >         # the pc tower that was with it has NOT
>>         been found
>>         >         and was
>>         >         >         clearly tagged turing and had cardboard
>>         taped over
>>         >         that...
>>         >         >         # where is this computer?...
>>         >         >         # jim has a single unit computer that
>>         belongs to his
>>         >         friend
>>         >         >         that was in the "rack" room adjacent to
>>         the library
>>         >         where the
>>         >         >         house rack(s) are...
>>         >         >         # where is this computer?
>>         >         >
>>         >         >         end comments
>>         >         >
>>         >         >
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