[Noisebridge-discuss] /missing/...

jim jim at well.com
Thu Mar 1 11:53:50 PST 2012


Sounds good to me! 


On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 11:39 -0800, Gopiballava Flaherty wrote:
> What about laptops? I'll bet laptops with broken screens are readily available. They could be used for configurations that need lots of slower devices. I can probably donate a dozen or more USB 1.1 to Ethernet converters so we could have low speed but complex configurations. 
> 
> I'd love a resource like this to play with. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> gopi at iPhone
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:17, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >    One of the considerations that we in turing have 
> > discussed is electrical power: our plan is to have 
> > equipment available but not always on, rather mostly 
> > off, to be used for a few hours each week as part of 
> > a regularly scheduled class. 
> >    We've also looked at low-power machines such as 
> > ARM- or Atom-based systems. It seems good to have 
> > one machine capable of supporting VMs (Linux KVM) 
> > and one or two other machines that can serve as 
> > hosts on "other" LANs. 
> > 
> >    Note that working in a classroom allows more 
> > people to participate in the physical aspects of 
> > learning along with the convenience of the use of 
> > a projector and whiteboard at hand. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 10:28 -0800, Ben Kochie wrote:
> >> We've done most of the work to isolate the "important" networking away
> >> from the main rack.  There are still a few things that people rely on
> >> in the rack so it's not exactly safe.
> >> 
> >> A few of us in the noiseops group have talked about replacing the
> >> existing rack wtih a smaller 9U cabinet mounted above the closet
> >> instead of the 20U rack on the floor.  The only thing stopping us is a
> >> bit of budget money to buy the rack and a few related items to reduce
> >> our server footprint to this smaller rack.
> >> 
> >> The other issue with setting up a dedicated experimental network rack
> >> is the power cost.  Running a rack of servers/networking gear would be
> >> 1000-1500 watts of power.  That's another $120-180/month in power
> >> costs.
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 09:37, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>   (Summarizing prior discussions: ) The argument against
> >>> using the existing rack is that it subjects the noisebridge
> >>> LAN to people screwing up. Having a separate "lab" space
> >>> lets people configure multiple LANs and subnets and learn
> >>> not only the physical aspect but the logical aspect
> >>> (configuration and use of various software tools) without
> >>> risking screwing up the LAN that everybody else in the
> >>> space uses for internet access.
> >>> 
> >>>   I believe that we as a community should isolate the
> >>> elements of infrastructure and respect the maintenance
> >>> (hard work by a few) and not feel like we can turn
> >>> anything and everything into a robot. This is on the order
> >>> of cleaning toilets, maintaining saw blades and drill
> >>> bits, the LAN, the electronic tools, the sewing machines,
> >>> and so on so that people can use them to do interesting
> >>> things.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 23:31 -0800, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
> >>>> Hmm.  I like the idea of a place to learn how to properly rack servers
> >>>> and even moreso of proper cabling.  Now, I am wondering if we could
> >>>> use the rack in the electric closet as an example or something like
> >>>> that.  I mean it would be just like working with live stuff.  Would
> >>>> breaking something in the electrical closet break internet for
> >>>> everyone?
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >>>>        On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 22:16 -0800, Brian Morris wrote:
> >>>>> I'd sort of reconciled myself to laptops, somebody gave an
> >>>>        ancient one
> >>>>> (900mhz) but I need a 15volt 4 amp powerbrick. I already
> >>>>        went through
> >>>>> the bins on Tuesday afternoon. It could use a stick of pc100
> >>>>        256mB or
> >>>>> two as well. The main problem is parts are expensiver and
> >>>>        hard to find
> >>>>> and graphics cannot be updated.
> >>>> 
> >>>>        JS: seems to me easy enough to make a power supply that's 15V
> >>>>        at 4A
> >>>>        with what's lying around. Not pretty, only clumsily portable,
> >>>>        but
> >>>>        do-able. Finding the RAM is a matter of luck, I'm guessing.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If there is space in an electrical closet for storage,
> >>>>        perhaps we
> >>>>> could establish some basic policy and post it where people
> >>>>        can see it.
> >>>>> Labels including a recent date and contact info - or else
> >>>> 
> >>>>        JS: I'm confused. why an electrical closet? to store what?
> >>>>           The bins and shelves around the electronic equipment
> >>>>        have various hackable gizmos. I think the policy is to grab
> >>>>        something and tear it apart, use what you like, then put
> >>>>        what you've built in some safe place (like your house or,
> >>>>        if you're brave, "your member shelf"). I'm guessing you
> >>>>        have something different in mind.
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:44 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com>
> >>>>        wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>           What I would like a lot is that we all stop being
> >>>>>        hasty. It's easy to get off on doing stuff and
> >>>>        making
> >>>>>        things better and fighting evil-doers and making
> >>>>        things
> >>>>>        more in our images and so on.
> >>>>>           Take it easier, don't take things too seriously,
> >>>>>        relax, accept, focus on a personal creation, even if
> >>>>>        the FBI or Salvadore Dali Lama or some pornographers
> >>>>>        show up....
> >>>>>           I like that the place gets clean and cleaned of a
> >>>>>        bunch of crap that piles up, but in the fervor to
> >>>>>        accomplish goodness a bunch of people have been hurt
> >>>>>        and there's been toxic division. How about making a
> >>>>>        point to take more time, not one week but one month.
> >>>>>        Sure it takes more time to get less done, but it's
> >>>>>        worth protecting the things that matter most--each
> >>>>>        others' reasons to be here, no matter how wacky.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>        On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 20:33 -0800, Ben Kochie wrote:
> >>>>>> I talked to jim and it is likely the 1U computer
> >>>>        was put in
> >>>>>        ewaste.
> >>>>>> This is my fault for not reviewing things more
> >>>>        closely. My
> >>>>>        criteria
> >>>>>> for ewaste is fairly harsh.  I have already
> >>>>        offered to
> >>>>>        replace the
> >>>>>> machine.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2012 5:57 PM, "maestro"
> >>>>        <maestro415 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>        wrote:
> >>>>>>        # in the bullshit taking shit out of
> >>>>        turing the tote
> >>>>>        has been
> >>>>>>        found and seems to have things in tact,
> >>>>        however...
> >>>>>>        # the pc tower that was with it has NOT
> >>>>        been found
> >>>>>        and was
> >>>>>>        clearly tagged turing and had cardboard
> >>>>        taped over
> >>>>>        that...
> >>>>>>        # where is this computer?...
> >>>>>>        # jim has a single unit computer that
> >>>>        belongs to his
> >>>>>        friend
> >>>>>>        that was in the "rack" room adjacent to
> >>>>        the library
> >>>>>        where the
> >>>>>>        house rack(s) are...
> >>>>>>        # where is this computer?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>        end comments
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
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> >>>> Ronald Cotoni
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