[Noisebridge-discuss] Potential misuse of the ultimate power, deleting the 85 page

Tony Longshanks LeTigre anthonyletigre at gmail.com
Wed Mar 7 01:53:50 PST 2012


I'm one of the people who believed -- and still believes -- that a
Noisebridge forum would be an excellent thing. When the mail gets heavy on
this list, as it recently did for what seemed like a steady week or two --
the volume of mail is inappropriate for a mailing list, by comparison to
any other mailing list I've ever been on.

That being said, I find the list addictive & tend to read every single
message, even when I have vast piles of far more worthy tasks I should be
working on. Also, as I now know, there already is a forum, but nobody uses
it. (I suspect that's mainly due to humans being herd-minded & "creatures
of habit" though, rather than any shortcomings inherent in the forum). And
clearly the majority of people are find w/ the Discuss List - or maybe the
majority of Noisebridgers opt out of the Discuss List. (I've certainly
talked to more than a few who have done so, for the reasons described.) So
I gave in & decided to post with the best of 'em rather than be a naysayer.
I'm going to try to reel it in a bit. I started posting a lot when I left
the Mission & wasn't able to hang out @ NB frequently, feeling like posting
was my only way of maintaining a connection to the space. Now I'm moving
back to the hood, so it looks like I'll be able to maintain a regular
physical presence at the Bridge again.

85 page: never once been there. I can smell the negativity & hatefulness a
mile away. It's the dark side of the internet & I've seen enough of it to
last a lifetime. Irrelevant. I recently apologized to Cynthia in person for
my remarks on a thread someone else started a while back, because I'm
trying to unlearn antisocial behaviors & build bridges instead of burn
them.

On that note: I have a couple new creative projects / ideas to introduce in
the near future - one is an idea another hacker came up with & asked me to
help him organize for next January - it's an exciting prospect for me, and
reason to get it together & finally get my passport. Since I don't think
customs recognized the Hackerspace passports just yet....

Details soon to come....

Yr friendly neighborhood


Tiger

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:

> So multiple times it's been asked if a "shit talking" list can be
> created to corner out colorful discussion that would cast others
> participating within the space in negative light. Each time the general
> murmur has been a strong no, pointing out that other spaces have done
> such a thing and it's ended in more shit talking and general social
> violence. If it's a problem within the space it's a problem that's part
> of the community, if it's a community problem (as much as it can get
> dramatic) it should be openly discussed here, hiding it just fosters
> more hate and back channel scheming.
>
> Currently there's a page on the wiki titled 85 that from my observations
> is turning into a general shit talking about others discussion board.
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85
>
> I understand it started out as a list for non-excellent people, but it's
> so not that anymore. A wiki really isn't the best of place for a
> discussion like this to occur as it really doesn't allow for everyone
> else to actively take note in the ugly going-ons in the space.
> Additionally folks that are using this page have been hitting some
> pretty nasty edit wars trying to rewrite history to drive a point or in
> defense.
>
> Here's a funny example that happened while I was writing this...
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=85&diff=24373&oldid=24354
> https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=85&diff=24374&oldid=24373
>
> Anyhow, as much as I'm that asshole who says he's staying pretty hands
> free here with the space, shit like this is dumb and I would like to see
> it stopped. Discussions about these individuals, as much as it's
> annoying, should happen on the discussion list. If a generalized list of
> opinion labeled unfavorables needs to exist, simply write the person's
> name on that page then link to the posts on the mailing list archives
> where you discuss why this person is being anything but excellent. If
> people bitch about not wanting to see that crap on the list, attach the
> [Drama] tag to the subject header.
>
> And yes I'm more than happy to abuse my wiki admin powers here.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> --
> Rubin
> rubin at starset.net
>
>
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