[Noisebridge-discuss] meeting notes: 20120501: Ousting the Damn Commie Cynthia, thank you!
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Tue May 1 20:53:57 PDT 2012
Cynthia also stated that the police were called when she was at the ACLU as
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Nihilistik Punk <nihilistikpunk at gmail.com>wrote:
> Dear NBers,
> OMG! Cynthia's talking about the Texas medical profession again! Will
> can't stand it, and sought to help everybody by getting rid of her.
> I know this will arrive too late to help Cynthia at tonight's meeting. But
> if Noisebridge really sought to be help the community as it claims, let
> some of you read this and discuss it at the meeting.
> I know I can trust Rayc or Kelly to put the item up on the screen to make
> it easier to read, and add it to the Meeting notes, to which I am now
> submitting this.
> He's totally disinterested, cuz he's not involved with Texas business at
> all. Oh wait, now he says he is!
> I think this new incident, provoked by Will, requires comment. So if you
> can't handle a few more lines than in the usual NB-discuss item, well, the
> lower playground awaits you. Those of us who care, will read it, and
> consider what Will's action means for us.
> So finally, when the police didn't agree to remove her with their muscle,
> Cynthia agreed to leave on her own volition. Chalk up another victory for
> Noisebridge do-acratic activism, *au* Will.
> Apparently a lot of guys thought it was time to put Cynthia in her place.
> Did you know one of the earnest Noisebridgers already accused her of being
> a damn commie <https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia>? That was on
> the apparently-defunct Noisebridge/wiki '85' page<https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia>,
> which if you're one of those who need elaborate codings spelled out for
> you, means 85 = 86-1 ="We're only one rung short of trying to 86 her butt
> from our choice spot."
> Of course, he didn't say how or why she was a communist. He just indicated
> she dug communists, or tried to fellate J-Stalin, or thought they were cool
> or something.
> It's where some of the NB earnest put up names of people they didn't like
> and discussed why and how they might be able to get rid of them. Many of
> the people listed here have, indeed, been removed from NB.
> Eventually, somebody removed the "85" page from the NB wiki. That was
> about, oh, 7 or 8 weeks ago. Most of the names on it, went up in the
> preceding 2 months, largely against suspected Occupyers who were not
> thought to be hacking hard enough.
> The strongest accusations against Cynthia on the page seem to be that she
> has "non-traditional" and "unusual" opinions. They admit that she does like
> science, though.
> You can view the "85" page in question right here<https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia>
> Will's pretty clear that other people have given him the lowdown on
> stories about Cynthia. Which is why he got some guys to come over and help
> him in his ejection of her.
> Notable quotes from Will:
> (In response to Liz's comment (*"...and yet you haven't said why you
> asked her to leave," *Will said:*) "*I find Cynthia annoying, but by
> itself that's not enough; Jesse and I were both there when she came in, and
> we'd both heard enough about stuff Cynthia had done that we felt
> comfortable making the call."
> So Cynthia came in, and you figured you could get rid of her, and then you asked Jesse to help you do so. However, you don't say Cynthia did anything
> at that time to warrant being asked to leave; you just thought it was time to do it.
> "I said (to the police, whom Will had called and who finally arrived after about an hour and a half) I would sign for the citizens arrest for
> So, the reason Will offers us for this action is, both he *and *Jesse had "heard enough about stuff Cynthia had done." It was this "stuff" that made him feel "comfortable"
> in "making the call."
> Then he called the police.
> Using the "citizen's arrest order," with which I am sure every regular citizen is familiar, is exactly how the San Francisco Catholic Archdiocese just evicted some Occupiers who were squatting in one of their long-unused buildings. The police told them the Occupyers would stay unless they "sign for the "citizens arrest for trespassing." The Archdiocese accomodated them and the police ejected the Occupyers.
> I'm familiar with the Citzen's arrest procedure, and am just as eager to employ it on the bad guys as anybody. But the specific language, now we gotta have "to sign *for* the
> citizen's arrest order" indicates the use of our citizens power over others here has reached an even higher level.
> To that we can only say, "Check Will S., signing for the Citizen's Arrest Order for the police! Woohooo!"
> More notable quotes:
> Ronald Cotoni: "bout time".
> Ever Falling: "It's all a conspiracy, Cynthia."
> To Ever Falling: I guess since you're hiding behind a handle, it's okay for you to direct contemptuous, provocative statements against a person whom your cohorts
> are trying to convince us, needs psychological help. I guess you're only guilty of a lapse in judgment - because provoking people you think are crazy is, of course, self-destructive, but I'm sure you already know that.) But your insulting tone doesn't belong here, and I wish you'd take it somewhere else.
> Comment: It is common knowledge to those who know her, that Cynthia objects to certain certain practices in the Texas medical profession (a.k.a.,
> business). She has spent a lot of time
> looking for representation to help her in her fight. I am not clear on the details, but she has never communicated anything to me along these lines
> other than a sincere desire to improve things for others. She doesn't speak in hostile tones, or violently, about anyone.
> That's more than can be said for the bulk of the people using discuss to criticize Cynthia. In fact, I haven't seen such snide, hateful comments
> directed at someone I know for a long time.
> Matt Joyce again, to Cynthia: "As a native Texan who has worked for
> corporations involved in government work, I find your positions on medical
> issues to be wholly irrelevant to my belief that you are in..." blah blah
> Comment: Y'know Matt, the fact that you've worked for Texas coporations
> with backroom government deals, really doesn't make a very convincing case
> that you're unbiased in this issue. I just have a couple of questions for
> you, sir.
> Have you ever been in bed with a Texas business Titan?
> Have you ever done business with anybody against whom Cynthia is taking
> legal action? Have you talked with any of these business colleagues about
> You say you're just concerned that Cynthia needs help that Noisebridge
> can't provide. Cynthia, however, has not asked us for any of that kind of
> help. Unless you're concealing something about your educational and social
> background from the rest of us Noisebridgers, you are not a psychiatrist or
> psychological professional. So you, a wanna be shrink, or making judgment
> calls about people like Cynthia, to the point of calling the police, and
> trying to enlist their support in kicking people you don't like out.
> In closing, note that the police did not forcibly remove Cynthia. She left
> voluntarily. Nor did they accept any "citizen's arrest order." It isn't
> even clear, Matt, that they asked you to sign any such order. In fact, they
> might have just as easily been thinking, *"Who the fuck is this egotistic
> Texas-business-Titan-wannabe prick, and why is he using the SFPD to push
> people around for him? I'm not getting paid for this shit! Fuck him!" *
> Given how you chose to involve other people in your plan to remove
> Cynthia, It's not clear that you care about calmly resolving thise issue to
> everyone's satisfaction. Cynthia has publicly stated she requested our NB
> mediation process. But you have decided to ignore this process and go
> straight to trying to intimidate her into leaving.
> Matt, it's clear you don't feel you want to go through the hassle of the
> mediation process. You've decided it's time to just take matters into your
> own hands and kick out people you don't like.
> She indicates you don't respect her work with Tastebridge.
> Also, Cynthia indicates she felt intimidated by the "three men" who
> accosted her and demanded that she leave.
> Being a colleague of Texas businesses involved with government work, I
> guess it's hard for you to see how your approach might actually raise the
> level of conflict and alarm in the situation, rather than reduce it and
> peacefull resolve the issue. Oh wait, maybe it's not hard for you to see
> that at all.
> Ever Falling: If Will planned to 86 Cynthia, then he did, indeed, conspire
> against her. If he's not planning to remove you, then he's not conspiring
> against you. Do you understand? The more you try, the happier you will be.
> I am not happy with the process used by these individuals to remove
> Cynthia. Since I think her help with Tastebridge, and taking out the
> recycling, is indeed a project, is indeed trying to help improve ways for
> us to enjoy cooking, then it is indeed hacking, and is in fact a huge help
> to us at NB,
> No, I don't care to describe how open-minded I am about Will's actions.
> I'm sure some will note how pro-Will I am and seek to criticize me for it,
> and that kind of thing might hurt my feelings.
> I must go. As you can tell from my profile foto, it is time for us legions
> to consume Nazi brains.
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