[Noisebridge-discuss] meeting notes: 20120501: Ousting the Damn Commie Cynthia, thank you!

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Wed May 2 09:23:31 PDT 2012


Hey nihilistikpunk at gmail.com,
I appreciate your concern as well. I personally do not think that Cynthia
is using her time wisely at noisebridge. I am pretty sure she isn't
learning/teaching nor hacking on anything.


When I first met Cynthia, she was trying to convince me that the medical
board of Texas was conspiring against her and that she was being followed
by law enforcement. This was at least a year ago. Since then whenever I see
her, I try to walk the other direction. She is using Noisebridge to attempt
to recruit "hackers" to hack them back. That is extremely excellent
behavior, since you know, she is trying to get people to commit felonies.

You are just as bad. Get back to hacking and stop causing drama. I would
suggest you start by attending a meeting so you can understand what
Noisebridge is for and then go to circuit hacking Monday so you can learn
something about electronics. You will be much happier hacking then causing
drama, I assure you.

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com> wrote:

> >To Ever Falling: I guess since you're hiding behind a handle, it's okay
> for you to direct contemptuous, provocative statements against a person
> whom your cohorts are trying to convince us, needs psychological help.
>
> I'm not hiding behind anything. Knowing my name wouldn't change where my words are coming from. I'm sorry (not really) I'm not taking this as super serious as you are.
>
> > I guess you're only guilty of a lapse in judgment - because provoking people you think are crazy is, of course, self-destructive, but I'm sure you already know that.) But your insulting tone doesn't belong here, and I wish you'd take it somewhere else.
>
> That's nice.
>
> >Ever Falling: If Will planned to 86 Cynthia, then he did, indeed, conspire against her.
>
> you missed the joke. oh well.
>
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Nihilistik Punk <nihilistikpunk at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear NBers,
>>
>> OMG! Cynthia's talking about the Texas medical profession again! Will
>> can't stand it, and sought to help everybody by getting rid of her.
>>
>> I know this will arrive too late to help Cynthia at tonight's meeting.
>> But if Noisebridge really sought to be help the community as it claims, let
>> some of you read this and discuss it at the meeting.
>>
>> I know I can trust Rayc or Kelly to put the item up on the screen to make
>> it easier to read, and add it to the Meeting notes, to which I am now
>> submitting this.
>>
>> He's totally disinterested, cuz he's not involved with Texas business at
>> all. Oh wait, now he says he is!
>>
>> I think this new incident, provoked by Will, requires comment. So if you
>> can't handle a few more lines than in the usual NB-discuss item, well, the
>> lower playground awaits you. Those of us who care, will read it, and
>> consider what Will's action means for us.
>>
>> So finally, when the police didn't agree to remove her with their muscle,
>> Cynthia agreed to leave on her own volition. Chalk up another victory for
>> Noisebridge do-acratic activism, *au* Will.
>>
>> Apparently a lot of guys thought it was time to put Cynthia in her place.
>> Did you know one of the earnest Noisebridgers already accused her of being
>> a damn commie <https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia>? That was on
>> the apparently-defunct Noisebridge/wiki '85' page<https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia>,
>> which if you're one of those who need elaborate codings spelled out for
>> you, means 85 = 86-1 ="We're only one rung short of trying to 86 her butt
>> from our choice spot."
>>
>> Of course, he didn't say how or why she was a communist. He just
>> indicated she dug communists, or tried to fellate J-Stalin, or thought they
>> were cool or something.
>>
>> It's where some of the NB earnest put up names of people they didn't like
>> and discussed why and how they might be able to get rid of them. Many of
>> the people listed here have, indeed, been removed from NB.
>>
>> Eventually, somebody removed the "85" page from the NB wiki. That was
>> about, oh, 7 or 8 weeks ago. Most of the names on it, went up in the
>> preceding 2 months, largely against suspected Occupyers who were not
>> thought to be hacking hard enough.
>>
>> The strongest accusations against Cynthia on the page seem to be that she
>> has "non-traditional" and "unusual" opinions. They admit that she does like
>> science, though.
>>
>> You can view the "85" page in question right here<https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia>
>> .
>>
>> Will's pretty clear that other people have given him the lowdown on
>> stories about Cynthia. Which is why he got some guys to come over and help
>> him in his ejection of her.
>>
>> Notable quotes from Will:
>>
>> (In response to Liz's comment (*"...and yet you haven't said why you
>> asked her to leave," *Will said:*) "*I find Cynthia annoying, but by
>> itself that's not enough; Jesse and I were both there when she came in, and
>> we'd both heard enough about stuff Cynthia had done that we felt
>> comfortable making the call."
>>
>> So Cynthia came in, and you figured you could get rid of her, and then you asked Jesse to help you do so. However, you don't say Cynthia did anything
>> at that time to warrant being asked to leave; you just thought it was time to do it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "I said (to the police, whom Will had called and who finally arrived after about an hour and a half) I would sign for the citizens arrest for
>> trespassing"
>>
>> So, the reason Will offers us for this action is, both he *and *Jesse had "heard enough about stuff Cynthia had done." It was this "stuff" that made him feel "comfortable"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> in "making the call."
>>
>> Then he called the police.
>>
>> Comment:
>>
>>  Using the "citizen's arrest order," with which I am sure every regular citizen is familiar, is exactly how the San Francisco Catholic Archdiocese just evicted some Occupiers who were squatting in one of their long-unused buildings. The police told them the Occupyers would stay unless they "sign for the "citizens arrest for trespassing." The Archdiocese accomodated them and the police ejected the Occupyers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    I'm familiar with the Citzen's arrest procedure, and am just as eager to employ it on the bad guys as anybody. But the specific language, now we gotta have "to sign *for* the
>> citizen's arrest order" indicates the use of our citizens power over others here has reached an even higher level.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    To that we can only say, "Check Will S., signing for the Citizen's Arrest Order for the police! Woohooo!"
>>
>> More notable quotes:
>>
>> Ronald Cotoni: "bout time".
>>
>> Ever Falling: "It's all a conspiracy, Cynthia."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To Ever Falling: I guess since you're hiding behind a handle, it's okay for you to direct contemptuous, provocative statements against a person whom your cohorts
>> are trying to convince us, needs psychological help. I guess you're only guilty of a lapse in judgment - because provoking people you think are crazy is, of course, self-destructive, but I'm sure you already know that.) But your insulting tone doesn't belong here, and I wish you'd take it somewhere else.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Comment: It is common knowledge to those who know her, that Cynthia objects to certain certain practices in the Texas medical profession (a.k.a.,
>> business). She has spent a lot of time
>> looking for representation to help her in her fight. I am not clear on the details, but she has never communicated anything to me along these lines
>> other than a sincere desire to improve things for others. She doesn't speak in hostile tones, or violently, about anyone.
>> .
>> That's more than can be said for the bulk of the people using discuss to criticize Cynthia. In fact, I haven't seen such snide, hateful comments
>> directed at someone I know for  a long time.
>>
>> Matt Joyce again, to Cynthia: "As a native Texan who has worked for
>> corporations involved in government work, I find your positions on medical
>> issues to be wholly irrelevant to my belief that you are in..." blah blah
>> blah.
>>
>> Comment: Y'know Matt, the fact that you've worked for Texas coporations
>> with backroom government deals, really doesn't make a very convincing case
>> that you're unbiased in this issue. I just have a couple of questions for
>> you, sir.
>>
>> Have you ever been in bed with a Texas business Titan?
>>
>> Have you ever done business with anybody against whom Cynthia is taking
>> legal action? Have you talked with any of these business colleagues about
>> her?
>>
>> You say you're just concerned that Cynthia needs help that Noisebridge
>> can't provide. Cynthia, however, has not asked us for any of that kind of
>> help. Unless you're concealing something about your educational and social
>> background from the rest of us Noisebridgers, you are not a psychiatrist or
>> psychological professional. So you, a wanna be shrink, or making judgment
>> calls about people like Cynthia, to the point of calling the police, and
>> trying to enlist their support in kicking people you don't like out.
>>
>> In closing, note that the police did not forcibly remove Cynthia. She
>> left voluntarily. Nor did they accept any "citizen's arrest order." It
>> isn't even clear, Matt, that they asked you to sign any such order. In
>> fact, they might have just as easily been thinking, *"Who the fuck is
>> this egotistic Texas-business-Titan-wannabe prick, and why is he using the
>> SFPD to push people around for him? I'm not getting paid for this shit! Fuck
>> him!" *
>>
>> Given how you chose to involve other people in your plan to remove
>> Cynthia, It's not clear that you care about calmly resolving thise issue to
>> everyone's satisfaction. Cynthia has publicly stated she requested our NB
>> mediation process. But you have decided to ignore this process and go
>> straight to trying to intimidate her into leaving.
>>
>>
>> Matt, it's clear you don't feel you want to go through the hassle of the
>> mediation process. You've decided it's time to just take matters into your
>> own hands and kick out people you don't like.
>>
>> She indicates you don't respect her work with Tastebridge.
>>
>> Also, Cynthia indicates she felt intimidated by the "three men" who
>> accosted her and demanded that she leave.
>>
>> Being a colleague of Texas businesses involved with government work, I
>> guess it's hard for you to see how your approach might actually raise the
>> level of conflict and alarm in the situation, rather than reduce it and
>> peacefull resolve the issue. Oh wait, maybe it's not hard for you to see
>> that at all.
>>
>> Ever Falling: If Will planned to 86 Cynthia, then he did, indeed,
>> conspire against her. If he's not planning to remove you, then he's not
>> conspiring against you. Do you understand? The more you try, the happier
>> you will be.
>>
>> I am not happy with the process used by these individuals to remove
>> Cynthia. Since I think her help with Tastebridge, and taking out the
>> recycling, is indeed a project, is indeed trying to help improve ways for
>> us to enjoy cooking, then it is indeed hacking, and is in fact a huge help
>> to us at NB,
>>
>> No, I don't care to describe how open-minded I am about Will's actions.
>> I'm sure some will note how pro-Will I am and seek to criticize me for it,
>> and that kind of thing might hurt my feelings.
>>
>> I must go. As you can tell from my profile foto, it is time for us
>> legions to consume Nazi brains.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> nihilistikpunk
>>
>>
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