[Noisebridge-discuss] Cynthia and Miloh made agreement she would not be there tonight

Brink brink.0x3f at gmail.com
Wed May 2 16:34:01 PDT 2012


Crap, did I say hackerspace? I definitely meant anarchyspace, filled with anarchy lulz.

It must have been my Texas-purchased corporate-made government-funded medically-recommended vision enhancement device biasing my views.* I can see so much more clearly now!

Wait... Are you sure that sign doesn't say "terroristspace"?

-Brink

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* [ In the future, I'll avoid my corporate government bias by baking my own optics from congealed sea salts, polishing them to perfection with synthetic-diamond Dremel bits (not those blood-diamond Dremel bits everyone keeps complaining about), and carefully fashioning frames from discarded bits of wire found on the floor of the anarchy space. ]

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On May 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:

> I think you meant to say 'anarchyspace'.
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Brink of Complexity
> <brink.0x3f at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm also a native Texan, but unlike Agent^H^H^H^H^H Mr. Joyce, I worked for governments involved in corporate work, rather than the other way around.
>> However, the work was in Illinois, and the government was Federal, and the corporation was in Delaware, but operated in Texas, Illinois, Canada, and Germany.
>> 
>> Does that also count as "conflicting" interest to matters of hackerspacery?
>> 
>> Just wondering, since apparently actual facts and self-espoused opinions aren't important to the topics at hand, and community-determined externally-applied labels and opinions seem to count much more. So before I get into a mess of thinking for myself about ethical issues surrounding the social burden of mental illness or the social dynamics of us-vs-them group-think, I'd like to know what I /actually/ think, based on my work history and community-judged status.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for helping me figure out where I stand, so I can cleanse my bias and maybe even hold a real opinion someday!
>> 
>> - Brink
>> 
>> P.S. I've also been previously under the impression that hackerspaces are primarily for hacking and secondarily for hacker-lulz, but maybe that's just my conflicted corporate government hacker-biased opinion talking. Please, someone who knows more about this than I do, help me figure out what a hackerspace is for!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 2, 2012, at 11:39 AM, cynthia lee wrote:
>> 
>>> Matt, I am pleased that you admit to having a potential conflict of interest. That is big of you. i wish everyone would be willing to state their sources of income and admit whether there are any conflicts of interest.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>>> As a native Texan who has worked for corporations involved in
>>> government work, I find your positions on medical issues to be wholly
>>> irrelevant to my belief that you are in need of help that only a
>>> trained psychiatrist can provide.  You have never once insulted me.  I
>>> hope you will do your best to realize this is not intended as an
>>> attack on your character.
>>> 
>>> I am not your friend or your enemy, and truthfully while I could
>>> derive an inordinate amount of amusement from exacerbating this
>>> thread.  The reality is the way you have comported yourself in
>>> discussion both in person and on this list have lead me to believe
>>> that you are a brilliant individual who refuses to acknowledge that
>>> they need help.  Please take this situation to heart as anecdotal
>>> evidence that you may need to revisit the question of your own mental
>>> wellness.  I am not alone in wishing you the best.
>>> 
>>> A hackerspace by its very definition is biased 100% in favor of
>>> hacking.  All other pursuits regardless of their value in other areas
>>> are going to take a back seat.  Your contributions while lofty, pale
>>> in comparison to your impact on the hack friendly nature of
>>> noisebridge.  That is not a bad thing.  It is simply a thing.
>>> 
>>> -Matt
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:41 PM, cynthia lee
>>> <cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I can not help wondering if my anticorporate stance is upsetting someone
>>>> there. There was a discussion by Will that he had heard enough
>>>> stories....odd, why were those stories not run past me to verify them? Why
>>>> would Jessie be unwilling to get me hard copies of these conversations that
>>>> he found upsetting? How can he be sure I even sent those emails?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  with a history of legal actions in Texas against government and
>>>>>> corporations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> oh man i just LOVE that you shoe-horned that in at the end there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:25 PM, cynthia lee <cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Will,
>>>>>> I have an understanding with Miloh that I would not be there tonight. i
>>>>>> pointed out that that was rather short notice under the circumstances. So I
>>>>>> would appreciate it if this was placed on the agenda for next weeks Tuesday
>>>>>> night meeting.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I make exception to the statements that I was loud. Most people didn't
>>>>>> even look up from what they were doing, a couple came over to ask what was
>>>>>> going on though. I believe the behavior of the three men who met me and
>>>>>> refused to clarify what behavior they were taking exception to was not
>>>>>> excellent. Jessie said something about some email conversation I had with
>>>>>> him, perhaps a long time ago? and refused to provide me with hard copies so
>>>>>> i could be clear what conversation he was talking about and he did not state
>>>>>> what his email address is. Basically, the concept of calling the police for
>>>>>> what is basically a dislike of another person (that most people would
>>>>>> overlook and go on with their life) is a really bad portend for Noisebridge.
>>>>>> If I had had that attitude while in medical practice, the police would have
>>>>>> been called every week.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The unexcellent behavior was on the part of the three men. My email
>>>>>> address is known through the discuss list and why was this not addressed in
>>>>>> an email so I didn't walk 45 minutes from downtown to be confronted with
>>>>>> this unexcellent behavior. Perhaps Noisebridge needs to be an association
>>>>>> instead of nonprofit community space? so it can be limited to "hackers".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I locked my self in the bathroom for obvious reasons related to what
>>>>>> bathrooms are used for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> for those who do not know me, I have been coming to Noisebridge for about
>>>>>> a year. i have regularly cleaned the kitchens and floors (but I cleared out
>>>>>> when the woman known as "Wish" decided to be there because I do not relish
>>>>>> confrontations). I also helped out at events, spending up to 20 hours one
>>>>>> weekend alone, sort and take out trash, clean bathrooms, use public access
>>>>>> computers from time to time (and give them up when asked) helped out with
>>>>>> Tastebridge and Vegan Hacker (although these three men dispute the value of
>>>>>> these events/groups). I do not steal and I am not loud. I have asked for
>>>>>> mediation regarding one person who was trying to be objectionable and he has
>>>>>> declined to do so (not me). I am a retired family physician with a history
>>>>>> of legal actions in Texas against government and corporations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD
>>>>>> http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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