[Noisebridge-discuss] Lack of due process when Cynthia forced to leave

Will Sargent will.sargent at gmail.com
Thu May 3 17:35:44 PDT 2012

Everything should be in the meeting notes.


On Thursday, May 3, 2012, Jake wrote:

> yes because whenever people say something is too horrible to possibly
> discuss in an open listserve, where we talk about everything else, it just
> sounds like there's really nothing to say and they're trying to cover the
> lack of justification for what they did with secrecy.
> let's hear it.
> On Thu, 3 May 2012, Joseph Brenner wrote:
>  The people who were actually there and made the call, did not want to
> discuss it on list, they wanted to save it for the meeting.
> Would hashing things out a second time here, for the people who don't
> go to meetings, actually help in any way?
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Corey McGuire <coreyfro at coreyfro.com>
> wrote:
> Irony is lost on this one.
> How about this, "Will someone, for the love of FUCKING GOD or ALLAH or
> or STALLMAN tell me what the fuck she did wrong?"
> Feynman, help us.
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> except that it's not funny, and Jesse's actions are making noisebridge
> look bad.  and getting the police to come over.
> On Thu, 3 May 2012, Corey McGuire wrote:
>  You know...it's funny.  I still have no idea what she did wrong.
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:43 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
> <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>      The last time I talked to her about it, Erica was no longer feeling
> welcome because Jesse (the same jesse) told her she wasn't
>      enough of a hacker and she should leave.
>      This after she had to ask him to stop calling her at 3am.
>      R.
>      On May 3, 2012 3:02 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>            I couldn't have said it better myself.
>            Why is Erica no longer feeling welcome?
>            I have to say,  I have noticed that some people (including
> Jesse for sure)
>            seem to be fulfilling my prediction that we could swing around
> into the
>            reactionary zone after we started dealing with the occupiers.
>            Please re-read the below and let's not make the same mistakes
> again.
>            Calling the police is a LAST RESORT and shows bad judgement on
> the part of
>            the people who did it.
>            What would Jesse or Will have done if a couple of female
> members told them
>            to leave?
>            Carl said:
>            You know I don't post here all that much, but I really felt
> that I had
>            to respond to this...
>            I've read through all of the comments about what transpired
> with
>            Cynthia, on the discuss list and the meeting notes.  Although
> I haven't
>            been present at Noisebridge during the past week, from what
> I've read so
>            far, I am really not pleased about how people involved in this
> situation
>            treated her.  (This would include Jesse, Will, and apparently
> a third
>            man.)
>            First of all, calling the police really should not be done
> unless:
>            1. Someone is harming or threatening harm to another person,
> causing
>            damage to the space, stealing, or otherwise causing trouble or
>            performing an illegal activity.
>            2. A person who has been officially banned from the space
> refuses to
>            leave.  And by "official", I mean a due process has been
> followed
>            whereas a previous discussion and consensus was taken to ban a
>            particular person.
>            3. AND ONLY AFTER the Noisebridge community are unable to
> handle the
>            situation on our own should we get the police involved.
>            I find it troubling when individuals take it upon themselves
> to forcibly
>            remove people from the space, who by all accounts of what I've
> read, did
>            NOT cause any trouble prior to being asked to leave.  I
> believe it was
>            wrong for Jesse and Will to have done what they did in this
> case, prior
>            to taking it up at a meeting where the members could discuss
> and make a
>            decision as to whether to ban Cynthia from the space, AND ONLY
>            this discussion and consensus would it be appropriate to ask
> someone to
>            not return.  (and as she brought up, informing her of this
> could have
>            been done through email prior to her arrival in order to avoid
> this
>            confrontation.)
>            I am also troubled by the flippant and immature responses on
> this list
>            about Cynthia being "crazy".  Her past talk of legal actions
> against
>            Te
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