[Noisebridge-discuss] Lack of due process when Cynthia forced to leave
jim at systemateka.com
Fri May 4 12:52:08 PDT 2012
Myself, I don't believe Cynthia is insane. Her actions,
in my (limited) experience seem part of the community,
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 11:15 -0700, Matt Joyce wrote:
> While I open myself to comparisons to Hitler. I do not enjoy the
> company of the insane. I simply do not. Most people don't as it
> turns out. There's a reason for this. The insane are by their very
> nature unstable. And that is a cause for concern. It's a distraction
> in every meaningful way.
> In the specific case of Cynthia she has been largely benign in her
> delusions. However, in the entirety of her time at noisbridge what has
> she done that sets her apart from every other oogle that has been
> thrown out? She is not for all intensive purposes a part of the
> community. She's simply not. She just takes up space and causes
> issues for people. More to the point she's insane. Not omfg that guy
> has a funny hat insane. She has real issues. Noisebridge is not a
> hospital. It's not a community outreach center. It's a community of
> hackers. And here we have a person who is unstable, unwell, and not a
> member of this community through her own action / inaction.
> I see no issue here. I would have called the authorities if dealing
> with an increasingly unstable individual who was refusing to leave.
> Allowing someone who is delusional to hang out at noisebridge puts
> them at risk as well as others. It's negligent. And it's stupid.
> Going beyond that, yes people who are hacking ( loosely defined ) do
> have a priority over those who aren't in a hackerspace. Seriously
> it's not classist it's a community of by and for hackers. It's not a
> kitchen in the mission. It's not an occupy tenement. And it's not a
> methadone clinic. It's a hackerspace. That's a hell of enough all on
> its own.
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Corey McGuire <coreyfro at coreyfro.com> wrote:
> > I resemble these remarks. As much as I would love to spend time with my kid
> > in a drama free zone, I'll have to see if someone can watch him while I
> > attend this Tuesdays meeting to defend Cynthia.
> > Look, Noisebridge is full of the social awkward. Cynthia is, presently, the
> > most socially awkward person in the space. Who's next? We're all only a
> > small cluster of braincells away from being in Cynthia's state, or worse.
> > I have communicated to Cynthia, accurately and respectfully, the times when
> > I need my brain and the subjects I am not willing to discuss. She has
> > respected these without fail.
> > I don't see how anyone else here is different.
> > As soon as we start excluding people, I wince and wonder when it'll be my
> > turn. I will not take, "Corey, you are this valuable" as a guarantee.
> > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:42 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >> As to me, if I know a meeting will involve something like
> >> banning, I make an effort to make it, despite wanting to be
> >> in bed before 8 PM.
> >> It seems that such issues may arise without "benefit" of
> >> meeting. What to do?
> >> Also, some of us conflict-averse hand-wringers worry about
> >> the affects of these events on people both in and tangential
> >> to our community. That there has been a sequence of events
> >> with a similar "taste" and "smell" has had an amplifying
> >> negative affect on a fairly large number of people. The
> >> reputation of Noisebridge is increasingly stained. What to do?
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