[Noisebridge-discuss] Lack of due process when Cynthia forced to leave

jim jim at systemateka.com
Fri May 4 12:52:08 PDT 2012



    well said. 
    Myself, I don't believe Cynthia is insane. Her actions, 
in my (limited) experience seem part of the community, 
certainly community-aware. 



On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 11:15 -0700, Matt Joyce wrote:
> While I open myself to comparisons to Hitler.  I do not enjoy the
> company of the insane.  I simply do not.  Most people don't as it
> turns out.  There's a reason for this.  The insane are by their very
> nature unstable.  And that is a cause for concern.  It's a distraction
> in every meaningful way.
> 
> In the specific case of Cynthia she has been largely benign in her
> delusions. However, in the entirety of her time at noisbridge what has
> she done that sets her apart from every other oogle that has been
> thrown out?  She is not for all intensive purposes a part of the
> community.  She's simply not.  She just takes up space and causes
> issues for people.  More to the point she's insane.  Not omfg that guy
> has a funny hat insane.  She has real issues.  Noisebridge is not a
> hospital.  It's not a community outreach center.  It's a community of
> hackers.  And here we have a person who is unstable, unwell, and not a
> member of this community through her own action / inaction.
> 
> I see no issue here.  I would have called the authorities if dealing
> with an increasingly unstable individual who was refusing to leave.
> Allowing someone who is delusional to hang out at noisebridge puts
> them at risk as well as others.  It's negligent.  And it's stupid.
> 
> Going beyond that, yes people who are hacking ( loosely defined ) do
> have a priority over those who aren't in a hackerspace.  Seriously
> it's not classist it's a community of by and for hackers.  It's not a
> kitchen in the mission.  It's not an occupy tenement.  And it's not a
> methadone clinic.  It's a hackerspace.  That's a hell of enough all on
> its own.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Corey McGuire <coreyfro at coreyfro.com> wrote:
> > I resemble these remarks.  As much as I would love to spend time with my kid
> > in a drama free zone, I'll have to see if someone can watch him while I
> > attend this Tuesdays meeting to defend Cynthia.
> >
> > Look, Noisebridge is full of the social awkward.  Cynthia is, presently, the
> > most socially awkward person in the space.  Who's next?  We're all only a
> > small cluster of braincells away from being in Cynthia's state, or worse.
> >
> > I have communicated to Cynthia, accurately and respectfully, the times when
> > I need my brain and the subjects I am not willing to discuss.  She has
> > respected these without fail.
> >
> > I don't see how anyone else here is different.
> >
> > As soon as we start excluding people, I wince and wonder when it'll be my
> > turn.  I will not take, "Corey, you are this valuable" as a guarantee.
> >
> > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:42 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>    As to me, if I know a meeting will involve something like
> >> banning, I make an effort to make it, despite wanting to be
> >> in bed before 8 PM.
> >>    It seems that such issues may arise without "benefit" of
> >> meeting. What to do?
> >>
> >>    Also, some of us conflict-averse hand-wringers worry about
> >> the affects of these events on people both in and tangential
> >> to our community. That there has been a sequence of events
> >> with a similar "taste" and "smell" has had an amplifying
> >> negative affect on a fairly large number of people. The
> >> reputation of Noisebridge is increasingly stained. What to do?
> >
> >
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