[Noisebridge-discuss] [TROLL] Who's In Charge of Noisebridge?
maltman23 at hotmail.com
Sun May 6 22:29:57 PDT 2012
No need to feed the trolls. But feel free, if you enjoy such things.
> From: jeffreyatw at gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:01:27 -0700
> To: camhkt at gmail.com
> CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Who's In Charge of Noisebridge?
> Sorry to be so blunt, but are you for real?
> I mean, your name is Cameron HACKett and I don't see any mention of
> you anywhere online, and you chime in pretty much during the time
> where this list is most embroiled in a discussion about whether the
> non-conventional-hackers should be kicked out.
> It's also quite obvious that, due to the place being open to everyone,
> you'll encounter some intense personalities. If you couldn't hack on
> the couches, or at the kitchen, you could have moved to the
> Hackitorium area, Turing, and Church. Plenty of room for all,
> especially when a class isn't in session. If you're looking for the
> "real hackers," attend a class or the Tuesday member meeting (open to
> I'm usually the last person to don the tinfoil hat, but I smell a troll.
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Cameron Hackett <camhkt at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM, William Sargent <will.sargent at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> There's around 40 members, and a number of people that donate without
> >> membership. Membership dues are $80 a month, although there are "starving
> >> hacker" and "benevolent patron" options. Noisebridge costs $160 a day to
> >> run.
> >> As for the why; well, Noisebridge is a fun place to hack. If you think
> >> about how much you would spend at a cafe, a tech shop, a library or at a
> >> co-working facility (or even going out for drinks over a month), Noisebridge
> >> isn't that big of an expense. I also Borderlands Cafe, Mechanics Library,
> >> Citizen Space / Parisoma... but Noisebridge benefits strangers.
> > Noisebridge seems like a great place to hack!
> > However, the second or third time I came by, I blocked out several hours to
> > settle into my terminal and work on open-sourcing a library I make for work.
> > But it wasn't 30 or some odd minutes into working, when someone on the same
> > couch insisted that they *needed* to stretch out their legs over where I was
> > sitting. She claimed it was her arthritis that was bothering her.
> > No big deal, I figured, I can move elsewhere -- especially for someone who's
> > not feeling well. But just 15 or so minutes later, she was lying there with
> > another boy, using the couch for their snogging activities! What the heck?
> > They appeared to just be there to hang out and read. Nothing wrong with
> > that, I suppose.
> > Sitting on one of the stools by the kitchen, I was booted again by a cooking
> > group that wanted the space.
> > As an outside visitor, I didn't really feel comfortable asserting myself and
> > saying no.
> > It seems like the most socially manipulative people get control of most of
> > the physical resources at Noisebridge, as most of the geeks of the technical
> > inclination seem too polite to bother wasting their time defending
> > themselves instead of actual... hacking.
> > My impression is that somehow Noisebridge has turning into more of a
> > flophouse than a hackerspace. At any given time when I've visited, there
> > seem to be about 10 - 25% of people working on something technical,
> > surrounded by many others sitting around reading on the computer, cooking,
> > sewing, or engaged in some non-technical pursuit.
> > Is there an actual hackerspace in San Francisco somewhere? I was hoping to
> > find something similar to the environment I've found around the world at
> > places like NTC Resistor, Metalab, Pumping Station One, Crash Space, etc.
> > Where are all the real hackers at?
> >> Will.
> >> On May 5, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Cameron Hackett wrote:
> >> > I'm a little new to Noisebridge, and I still just don't understand how
> >> > this works. Is Noisebridge organized by anyone? Who's in charge?
> >> >
> >> > It seems like the place is totally open to anyone on a drop-in basis for
> >> > free. But, who pays for the rent then?
> >> > I get the sense that the freeloading visitors are much more numerous
> >> > than the paying members, but it's hard to tell what the ratio is.
> >> >
> >> > I guess I'm just curious why people continue to put in what I would
> >> > presume is a lot of money into a system that tends to benefit strangers.
> >> > Sounds like charity.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Cam
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