[Noisebridge-discuss] [TROLL] Who's In Charge of Noisebridge?

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Mon May 7 10:54:30 PDT 2012


more hacking, less trolling.

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> No need to feed the trolls.  But feel free, if you enjoy such things.
>
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> > From: jeffreyatw at gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:01:27 -0700
> > To: camhkt at gmail.com
> > CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Who's In Charge of Noisebridge?
> >
> > Sorry to be so blunt, but are you for real?
> >
> > I mean, your name is Cameron HACKett and I don't see any mention of
> > you anywhere online, and you chime in pretty much during the time
> > where this list is most embroiled in a discussion about whether the
> > non-conventional-hackers should be kicked out.
> >
> > It's also quite obvious that, due to the place being open to everyone,
> > you'll encounter some intense personalities. If you couldn't hack on
> > the couches, or at the kitchen, you could have moved to the
> > Hackitorium area, Turing, and Church. Plenty of room for all,
> > especially when a class isn't in session. If you're looking for the
> > "real hackers," attend a class or the Tuesday member meeting (open to
> > all).
> >
> > I'm usually the last person to don the tinfoil hat, but I smell a troll.
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Cameron Hackett <camhkt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM, William Sargent <
> will.sargent at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There's around 40 members, and a number of people that donate without
> > >> membership. Membership dues are $80 a month, although there are
> "starving
> > >> hacker" and "benevolent patron" options. Noisebridge costs $160 a day
> to
> > >> run.
> > >>
> > >> As for the why; well, Noisebridge is a fun place to hack. If you think
> > >> about how much you would spend at a cafe, a tech shop, a library or
> at a
> > >> co-working facility (or even going out for drinks over a month),
> Noisebridge
> > >> isn't that big of an expense. I also Borderlands Cafe, Mechanics
> Library,
> > >> Citizen Space / Parisoma... but Noisebridge benefits strangers.
> > >
> > >
> > > Noisebridge seems like a great place to hack!
> > >
> > > However, the second or third time I came by, I blocked out several
> hours to
> > > settle into my terminal and work on open-sourcing a library I make for
> work.
> > > But it wasn't 30 or some odd minutes into working, when someone on the
> same
> > > couch insisted that they *needed* to stretch out their legs over where
> I was
> > > sitting. She claimed it was her arthritis that was bothering her.
> > > No big deal, I figured, I can move elsewhere -- especially for someone
> who's
> > > not feeling well. But just 15 or so minutes later, she was lying there
> with
> > > another boy, using the couch for their snogging activities! What the
> heck?
> > > They appeared to just be there to hang out and read. Nothing wrong with
> > > that, I suppose.
> > >
> > > Sitting on one of the stools by the kitchen, I was booted again by a
> cooking
> > > group that wanted the space.
> > >
> > > As an outside visitor, I didn't really feel comfortable asserting
> myself and
> > > saying no.
> > >
> > > It seems like the most socially manipulative people get control of
> most of
> > > the physical resources at Noisebridge, as most of the geeks of the
> technical
> > > inclination seem too polite to bother wasting their time defending
> > > themselves instead of actual... hacking.
> > >
> > >
> > > My impression is that somehow Noisebridge has turning into more of a
> > > flophouse than a hackerspace. At any given time when I've visited,
> there
> > > seem to be about 10 - 25% of people working on something technical,
> > > surrounded by many others sitting around reading on the computer,
> cooking,
> > > sewing, or engaged in some non-technical pursuit.
> > >
> > > Is there an actual hackerspace in San Francisco somewhere? I was
> hoping to
> > > find something similar to the environment I've found around the world
> at
> > > places like NTC Resistor, Metalab, Pumping Station One, Crash Space,
> etc.
> > > Where are all the real hackers at?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Will.
> > >>
> > >> On May 5, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Cameron Hackett wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I'm a little new to Noisebridge, and I still just don't understand
> how
> > >> > this works. Is Noisebridge organized by anyone? Who's in charge?
> > >> >
> > >> > It seems like the place is totally open to anyone on a drop-in
> basis for
> > >> > free. But, who pays for the rent then?
> > >> > I get the sense that the freeloading visitors are much more numerous
> > >> > than the paying members, but it's hard to tell what the ratio is.
> > >> >
> > >> > I guess I'm just curious why people continue to put in what I would
> > >> > presume is a lot of money into a system that tends to benefit
> strangers.
> > >> > Sounds like charity.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Cam
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Ronald Cotoni
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