dmhomee at gmail.com
Tue May 8 19:36:56 PDT 2012
If people take more tolerant attitudes then we won't need soup kitchens.
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
> Enjoy your soup kitchen.
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Note: I've just donated $10 to noisebridge for adding to this whole
> > discussion.
> > I've thought about it, I don't have a good solution. But I am really
> > disturbed by the non-stop do-ocratic bannings.
> > Frankly, I'm considering do-ocratically inviting Cynthia back into the
> > (even though I am annoyed by her). I am definitely going to try to make
> > tonight to block on this until it's further discussed.
> > When "do-ocratic banning" was first used it was in the context of someone
> > that was actively harrassing people and being violent. Noisebridge is
> not a
> > homeless shelter, but I don't think we should lightly discard radical
> > inclusion. There are a million other ways to handle the situation with
> > someone who at least cleans the kitchen. If push comes to shove, I'll be
> > willing to mediate.
> > This issue isn't going to go away, and I don't think introducing blanket
> > bans or trying to make sophmoric attempts to "define hacking" is going to
> > work. These things have to be a human call, and consensus is there for
> > situations just like this so people can argue over shit...
> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Rockefeller <
> alanrockefeller at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> There is a bit of confusion about Cynthia.
> >> The problem is that she is not a hacker, she is a homeless person who
> >> the noisebridge kitchen.
> >> This would be fine if it was just a day or 2, but she was showing up
> >> nearly every day for a year.
> >> Do we want homeless people who have no kitchen to use the noisebridge
> >> kitchen?
> >> Cynthia is a nice person and I have had only positive interactions with
> >> her. She is a little crazy, but never in a bad or unsafe way.
> >> Some people think that Noisebridge should only be for hackers. Other
> >> people think that Noisebridge is for everyone.
> >> I see it both ways. If we let all homeless people in SF use the
> >> it would be very crowded. And not in a good way.
> >> I am fine with non-hackers coming to noisebridge occasionally, but they
> >> shouldn't be there too often. When they do show up every day and hack
> >> nothing, I sometimes ask them to come around less often.
> >> When non-hackers show up to noisebridge once a week or less, that is
> >> When they show up every day for many hours, I get annoyed at them and
> >> them what they are working on, implying that they should be working on
> >> something.
> >> Calling the police on her was bad, but what were they supposed to do -
> >> admit defeat? I would have admitted defeat, but I understand why they
> >> didn't.
> >> I have tried to kick people out of noisebridge before. 9 times out of
> >> they leave. When they say "no, I am not leaving..." I say ok, and go do
> >> something else.
> >> I can think of 2 other people who are rather Cynthia-like. I don't
> >> what to do about them. I like both those people, but I think they come
> >> noisebridge too often.
> >> The fact that none of these people are bad folks complicates the
> >> We could make a policy about this. Or we could keep doing what we are
> >> doing, let people do-ocratically decide. What we have been doing does
> >> - There were about 60 people at noisebridge last night and all of them
> >> awesome. Kicking people out isn't fun or fair and I don't like doing
> >> but occasionally I do because Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter.
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