[Noisebridge-discuss] Cynthia

girlgeek girlgeek at wt.net
Wed May 9 12:29:55 PDT 2012


fwiw, she is not a homeless as in 'lives under a bridge'.  She lives in 
a shelter or sro.  Don't know whether that changes anyone's definition.
-Claudia

On 5/8/2012 6:42 PM, Praveen Sinha wrote:
> Note:  I've just donated $10 to noisebridge for adding to this whole 
> discussion.
>
> I've thought about it, I don't have a good solution.  But I am really 
> disturbed by the non-stop do-ocratic bannings.
>
> Frankly, I'm considering do-ocratically inviting Cynthia back into the 
> space (even though I am annoyed by her).  I am definitely going to try 
> to make it tonight to block on this until it's further discussed.
>
> When "do-ocratic banning" was first used it was in the context of 
> someone that was actively harrassing people and being violent.  
> Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter, but I don't think we should 
> lightly discard radical inclusion.  There are a million other ways to 
> handle the situation with someone who at least cleans the kitchen.  If 
> push comes to shove, I'll be willing to mediate.
>
> This issue isn't going to go away, and I don't think introducing 
> blanket bans or trying to make sophmoric attempts to "define hacking" 
> is going to work.  These things have to be a human call, and consensus 
> is there for situations just like this so people can argue over shit...
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Rockefeller 
> <alanrockefeller at gmail.com <mailto:alanrockefeller at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     There is a bit of confusion about Cynthia.
>
>     The problem is that she is not a hacker, she is a homeless person
>     who uses the noisebridge kitchen.
>
>     This would be fine if it was just a day or 2, but she was showing
>     up nearly every day for a year.
>
>     Do we want homeless people who have no kitchen to use the
>     noisebridge kitchen?
>
>     Cynthia is a nice person and I have had only positive interactions
>     with her.  She is a little crazy, but never in a bad or unsafe way.
>
>     Some people think that Noisebridge should only be for hackers.
>      Other people think that Noisebridge is for everyone.
>
>     I see it both ways.  If we let all homeless people in SF use the
>     kitchen, it would be very crowded.  And not in a good way.
>
>     I am fine with non-hackers coming to noisebridge occasionally, but
>     they shouldn't be there too often.  When they do show up every day
>     and hack nothing, I sometimes ask them to come around less often.
>
>     When non-hackers show up to noisebridge once a week or less, that
>     is cool.  When they show up every day for many hours, I get
>     annoyed at them and ask them what they are working on, implying
>     that they should be working on something.
>
>     Calling the police on her was bad, but what were they supposed to
>     do - admit defeat?  I would have admitted defeat, but I understand
>     why they didn't.
>
>     I have tried to kick people out of noisebridge before.  9 times
>     out of 10 they leave.  When they say "no, I am not leaving..." I
>     say ok, and go do something else.
>
>     I can think of 2 other people  who are rather Cynthia-like.  I
>     don't know what to do about them.  I like both those people, but I
>     think they come to noisebridge too often.
>
>     The fact that none of these people are bad folks complicates the
>     problem.
>
>
>
>     We could make a policy about this.  Or we could keep doing what we
>     are doing, let people do-ocratically decide.  What we have been
>     doing does work - There were about 60 people at noisebridge last
>     night and all of them were awesome.  Kicking people out isn't fun
>     or fair and I don't like doing it, but occasionally I do because
>     Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter.
>
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