[Noisebridge-discuss] Cynthia

Ben Kochie superq at gmail.com
Wed May 9 18:23:26 PDT 2012


We do need soup kitchens.  But that functionality of noisebridge is a
non-goal.
On May 8, 2012 7:37 PM, "Praveen Sinha" <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:

> If people take more tolerant attitudes then we won't need soup kitchens.
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>
>> Enjoy your soup kitchen.
>>
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Note:  I've just donated $10 to noisebridge for adding to this whole
>> > discussion.
>> >
>> > I've thought about it, I don't have a good solution.  But I am really
>> > disturbed by the non-stop do-ocratic bannings.
>> >
>> > Frankly, I'm considering do-ocratically inviting Cynthia back into the
>> space
>> > (even though I am annoyed by her).  I am definitely going to try to
>> make it
>> > tonight to block on this until it's further discussed.
>> >
>> > When "do-ocratic banning" was first used it was in the context of
>> someone
>> > that was actively harrassing people and being violent.  Noisebridge is
>> not a
>> > homeless shelter, but I don't think we should lightly discard radical
>> > inclusion.  There are a million other ways to handle the situation with
>> > someone who at least cleans the kitchen.  If push comes to shove, I'll
>> be
>> > willing to mediate.
>> >
>> > This issue isn't going to go away, and I don't think introducing blanket
>> > bans or trying to make sophmoric attempts to "define hacking" is going
>> to
>> > work.  These things have to be a human call, and consensus is there for
>> > situations just like this so people can argue over shit...
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Rockefeller <
>> alanrockefeller at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> There is a bit of confusion about Cynthia.
>> >>
>> >> The problem is that she is not a hacker, she is a homeless person who
>> uses
>> >> the noisebridge kitchen.
>> >>
>> >> This would be fine if it was just a day or 2, but she was showing up
>> >> nearly every day for a year.
>> >>
>> >> Do we want homeless people who have no kitchen to use the noisebridge
>> >> kitchen?
>> >>
>> >> Cynthia is a nice person and I have had only positive interactions with
>> >> her.  She is a little crazy, but never in a bad or unsafe way.
>> >>
>> >> Some people think that Noisebridge should only be for hackers.  Other
>> >> people think that Noisebridge is for everyone.
>> >>
>> >> I see it both ways.  If we let all homeless people in SF use the
>> kitchen,
>> >> it would be very crowded.  And not in a good way.
>> >>
>> >> I am fine with non-hackers coming to noisebridge occasionally, but they
>> >> shouldn't be there too often.  When they do show up every day and hack
>> >> nothing, I sometimes ask them to come around less often.
>> >>
>> >> When non-hackers show up to noisebridge once a week or less, that is
>> cool.
>> >>  When they show up every day for many hours, I get annoyed at them and
>> ask
>> >> them what they are working on, implying that they should be working on
>> >> something.
>> >>
>> >> Calling the police on her was bad, but what were they supposed to do -
>> >> admit defeat?  I would have admitted defeat, but I understand why they
>> >> didn't.
>> >>
>> >> I have tried to kick people out of noisebridge before.  9 times out of
>> 10
>> >> they leave.  When they say "no, I am not leaving..." I say ok, and go
>> do
>> >> something else.
>> >>
>> >> I can think of 2 other people  who are rather Cynthia-like.  I don't
>> know
>> >> what to do about them.  I like both those people, but I think they
>> come to
>> >> noisebridge too often.
>> >>
>> >> The fact that none of these people are bad folks complicates the
>> problem.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We could make a policy about this.  Or we could keep doing what we are
>> >> doing, let people do-ocratically decide.  What we have been doing does
>> work
>> >> - There were about 60 people at noisebridge last night and all of them
>> were
>> >> awesome.  Kicking people out isn't fun or fair and I don't like doing
>> it,
>> >> but occasionally I do because Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter.
>> >>
>> >>
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