[Noisebridge-discuss] ROBERT 2.0 should not be banned despite some problems he creates

Ben Kochie superq at gmail.com
Sun May 27 09:07:48 PDT 2012


They were old as shit power hogs.  Not anywhere near that nice.

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Robert Chu <robertayoungchu at gmail.com> wrote:
> From what I remember, there three (nothing less then) dual Xeon (not sure of
> the exact model/ clock) HP Proliants, with a minimum of 4Gigs (even though I
> think it was 8Gigs ECC, and Registered.)each. Some switches, and the cabinet
> its self.
>
> I am looking on Ebay as I did before when I wrote the previous email, and it
> seems that my estimate of ~$2,000 - ~$3,000 for all the gear is about ball
> park.
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> I
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> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Ben Kochie <superq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I saw the servers that were tossed.  It was maybe worth $300 total.
>> And maybe $200 for the half rack cabinet.  The stuff was eWaste.
>> $2000-3000 is an exaggeration.
>>
>> We didn't ask for server equipment at the space.  We didn't want
>> server equipment at the space.  We already had two other full cabinets
>> and a bunch of other eWaste quality servers.  They were all taking up
>> space doing nobody any good.
>>
>> Donations are donations, noisebridge can do whatever it wants with
>> them.   We cleared out the eWaste and kept the good stuff in the rack
>> closet.
>>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Robert Chu <robertayoungchu at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello Noisebridge Community.
>> >
>> > I am writing this email on behalf of the good that there is in Robert
>> > 2.0,
>> > and  also because I don't think that he should be banned. Before you
>> > become
>> > enraged with this email (or even annoyed), I encourage you to read on.
>> >
>> > I can only infer (from my experience with Rob 2.0) the situation is as
>> > follows:
>> >
>> > ******ROBERT 2.0******
>> >
>> > - Is one of the best software hackers that I've ever met at Noisebridge
>> >
>> > - HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOWN TO TEACH AND HELP OTHERS with any questions
>> > they
>> > have. (As he only said know if he was super busy).
>> >
>> > - Came to Noisebridge and crashed a couple of public computers (with the
>> > intent of making them better- this was done do-ocrattically) also
>> > because he
>> > didn't know that it would be a problem to do so.
>> >
>> > - Had taken apart a couple of scooters (when I spoke with him, it was
>> > his
>> > intent to build a better one with the parts. I spoke to Rob about this a
>> > while ago when this issue came up. It seemed that HACKING apart the
>> > scooters
>> > to make a better one was completely valid since Noisebridge is a
>> > HACKERSPACE
>> > and it has been communally agreed upon that everything at Noisebridge is
>> > HACKABLE except the Membershelves.
>> >
>> > - Robert brought a cabinet of servers to Noisebridge, and was taking to
>> > some
>> > people to do some awesome tech stuff such as clustering, and even teach
>> > a
>> > class (teaching is most excellent at Noisebridge).
>> >
>> > - Robert  2.0 had slept a couple of nights at Noisebirdge (Before it was
>> > communally looked down upon).
>> >
>> > - When Robert 2.0 was allowed in the space he did make a lot of messes
>> > that
>> > other people had to clean up (which is why part of the reason some
>> > people
>> > got upset to the point of wanting him to not come back).
>> >
>> > - He is a hard person to communicate with.
>> >
>> > - Robert 2.0 has often been coming back to Noisebridge for various
>> > reasons,
>> > and has left every time after being asked to leave.
>> >
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ROBERT 2.0
>> > - Robert 2.0 has been asked to leave the space and not come back until
>> > he
>> > goes through a Noisebridge Moderation process (which I don't think he
>> > wants
>> > to moderate with the current moderators).
>> >
>> > - I would estimate that about $2,000 to $3,000 worth of servers that he
>> > was
>> > going to donate to Noisebridge were pushed out onto the street (without
>> > even
>> > letting Robert 2.0 know that this was going to happen), and are now
>> > GONE.
>> > That is $2,000 - $3,000 dollars worth of servers let the COMMUNITY know
>> > that
>> > this unjustice was done. IHO throwing away a hacker's hardware is a huge
>> > insult to a hacker. He could have been asked to move them out of
>> > Noisebridge
>> > if they were really that much of a problem.
>> >
>> > - I would estimate that the damage that Robert could have done to
>> > Noisebridge is at most ~$500 in man hours or whatever, where as the
>> > amount
>> > of money he lost in the form of hardware is far greater.
>> >
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > In conclusion,
>> >
>> > - Robert 2.0 is still upset that ~$2,000 - $3,000 in servers was just
>> > trashed without his knowledge or even being communicated to (TOTALLY
>> > UNEXCELLENT IMHO), and the person who was responsible wasn't even
>> > reprimanded at all, just because he has been a huge part of the
>> > Noisebridge
>> > community.
>> >
>> > - I feel that there Robert  should be allowed to return to Noisebridge,
>> > but
>> > only after we figure out what the problems that others are having with
>> > him
>> > (AS ARE DOING WITH CYNTHIA),  and work them out. I also am pretty sure
>> > he
>> > does not want to moderate with the current people that defaulted as
>> > moderators, and think that I would be able to moderate this situation
>> > because of my repor and relationship with Robert.
>> >
>> > Let me get in contact with Robert and see what his goals are and what
>> > his
>> > expectations for being a part of the Noisebridge community are.
>> >
>> > Since I am still on vacation from Noisebridge feel free to tell him to
>> > contact me if he shows up.
>> > robertayoungchu at gmail.com - 415.935.3597
>> >
>> > Banning Robert would be another example of Noisebridge Hackerspace
>> > kicking
>> > out another %100 authentic hacker (probably one of the best in the
>> > Noisebridge eco-system).
>> >
>> > Please Noisebridge (at community at large) let me sync up with Robert
>> > 2.0
>> > before any decision  is even discussed. I would still be pissed off at
>> > the
>> > person who is responsible and at Noisebridge to if $2,000 - $3,000
>> > (maybe
>> > even more) worth of hardware was just tossed. I also feel that that part
>> > is
>> > being over-looked on Noisebridge's part (why don't we ban the person
>> > tossed
>> > his hardware to the curb?).
>> >
>> >
>> > Robert Albert Young Chu
>> > "Keep hackers in the hackerspace."
>> > Rayc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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