[Noisebridge-discuss] ROBERT 2.0 should not be banned despite some problems he creates

Robert Chu robertayoungchu at gmail.com
Sun May 27 09:28:29 PDT 2012


I sat with rob when he using them probably more so then anyone else at nb,
at the time. I even opened one up to check it out. I also use host with
similar hp proliants as well.

let"s talk about it off the list as I feel it may make for good discussion
over some tea. I am  also in support for working toward dedramatizing the
list.
 On May 27, 2012 9:07 AM, "Ben Kochie" <superq at gmail.com> wrote:

> They were old as shit power hogs.  Not anywhere near that nice.
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Robert Chu <robertayoungchu at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > From what I remember, there three (nothing less then) dual Xeon (not
> sure of
> > the exact model/ clock) HP Proliants, with a minimum of 4Gigs (even
> though I
> > think it was 8Gigs ECC, and Registered.)each. Some switches, and the
> cabinet
> > its self.
> >
> > I am looking on Ebay as I did before when I wrote the previous email,
> and it
> > seems that my estimate of ~$2,000 - ~$3,000 for all the gear is about
> ball
> > park.
> >
> >
> >
> > I
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Ben Kochie <superq at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I saw the servers that were tossed.  It was maybe worth $300 total.
> >> And maybe $200 for the half rack cabinet.  The stuff was eWaste.
> >> $2000-3000 is an exaggeration.
> >>
> >> We didn't ask for server equipment at the space.  We didn't want
> >> server equipment at the space.  We already had two other full cabinets
> >> and a bunch of other eWaste quality servers.  They were all taking up
> >> space doing nobody any good.
> >>
> >> Donations are donations, noisebridge can do whatever it wants with
> >> them.   We cleared out the eWaste and kept the good stuff in the rack
> >> closet.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Robert Chu <robertayoungchu at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hello Noisebridge Community.
> >> >
> >> > I am writing this email on behalf of the good that there is in Robert
> >> > 2.0,
> >> > and  also because I don't think that he should be banned. Before you
> >> > become
> >> > enraged with this email (or even annoyed), I encourage you to read on.
> >> >
> >> > I can only infer (from my experience with Rob 2.0) the situation is as
> >> > follows:
> >> >
> >> > ******ROBERT 2.0******
> >> >
> >> > - Is one of the best software hackers that I've ever met at
> Noisebridge
> >> >
> >> > - HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOWN TO TEACH AND HELP OTHERS with any questions
> >> > they
> >> > have. (As he only said know if he was super busy).
> >> >
> >> > - Came to Noisebridge and crashed a couple of public computers (with
> the
> >> > intent of making them better- this was done do-ocrattically) also
> >> > because he
> >> > didn't know that it would be a problem to do so.
> >> >
> >> > - Had taken apart a couple of scooters (when I spoke with him, it was
> >> > his
> >> > intent to build a better one with the parts. I spoke to Rob about
> this a
> >> > while ago when this issue came up. It seemed that HACKING apart the
> >> > scooters
> >> > to make a better one was completely valid since Noisebridge is a
> >> > HACKERSPACE
> >> > and it has been communally agreed upon that everything at Noisebridge
> is
> >> > HACKABLE except the Membershelves.
> >> >
> >> > - Robert brought a cabinet of servers to Noisebridge, and was taking
> to
> >> > some
> >> > people to do some awesome tech stuff such as clustering, and even
> teach
> >> > a
> >> > class (teaching is most excellent at Noisebridge).
> >> >
> >> > - Robert  2.0 had slept a couple of nights at Noisebirdge (Before it
> was
> >> > communally looked down upon).
> >> >
> >> > - When Robert 2.0 was allowed in the space he did make a lot of messes
> >> > that
> >> > other people had to clean up (which is why part of the reason some
> >> > people
> >> > got upset to the point of wanting him to not come back).
> >> >
> >> > - He is a hard person to communicate with.
> >> >
> >> > - Robert 2.0 has often been coming back to Noisebridge for various
> >> > reasons,
> >> > and has left every time after being asked to leave.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ROBERT 2.0
> >> > - Robert 2.0 has been asked to leave the space and not come back until
> >> > he
> >> > goes through a Noisebridge Moderation process (which I don't think he
> >> > wants
> >> > to moderate with the current moderators).
> >> >
> >> > - I would estimate that about $2,000 to $3,000 worth of servers that
> he
> >> > was
> >> > going to donate to Noisebridge were pushed out onto the street
> (without
> >> > even
> >> > letting Robert 2.0 know that this was going to happen), and are now
> >> > GONE.
> >> > That is $2,000 - $3,000 dollars worth of servers let the COMMUNITY
> know
> >> > that
> >> > this unjustice was done. IHO throwing away a hacker's hardware is a
> huge
> >> > insult to a hacker. He could have been asked to move them out of
> >> > Noisebridge
> >> > if they were really that much of a problem.
> >> >
> >> > - I would estimate that the damage that Robert could have done to
> >> > Noisebridge is at most ~$500 in man hours or whatever, where as the
> >> > amount
> >> > of money he lost in the form of hardware is far greater.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > In conclusion,
> >> >
> >> > - Robert 2.0 is still upset that ~$2,000 - $3,000 in servers was just
> >> > trashed without his knowledge or even being communicated to (TOTALLY
> >> > UNEXCELLENT IMHO), and the person who was responsible wasn't even
> >> > reprimanded at all, just because he has been a huge part of the
> >> > Noisebridge
> >> > community.
> >> >
> >> > - I feel that there Robert  should be allowed to return to
> Noisebridge,
> >> > but
> >> > only after we figure out what the problems that others are having with
> >> > him
> >> > (AS ARE DOING WITH CYNTHIA),  and work them out. I also am pretty sure
> >> > he
> >> > does not want to moderate with the current people that defaulted as
> >> > moderators, and think that I would be able to moderate this situation
> >> > because of my repor and relationship with Robert.
> >> >
> >> > Let me get in contact with Robert and see what his goals are and what
> >> > his
> >> > expectations for being a part of the Noisebridge community are.
> >> >
> >> > Since I am still on vacation from Noisebridge feel free to tell him to
> >> > contact me if he shows up.
> >> > robertayoungchu at gmail.com - 415.935.3597
> >> >
> >> > Banning Robert would be another example of Noisebridge Hackerspace
> >> > kicking
> >> > out another %100 authentic hacker (probably one of the best in the
> >> > Noisebridge eco-system).
> >> >
> >> > Please Noisebridge (at community at large) let me sync up with Robert
> >> > 2.0
> >> > before any decision  is even discussed. I would still be pissed off at
> >> > the
> >> > person who is responsible and at Noisebridge to if $2,000 - $3,000
> >> > (maybe
> >> > even more) worth of hardware was just tossed. I also feel that that
> part
> >> > is
> >> > being over-looked on Noisebridge's part (why don't we ban the person
> >> > tossed
> >> > his hardware to the curb?).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Robert Albert Young Chu
> >> > "Keep hackers in the hackerspace."
> >> > Rayc
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
> >
> >
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