[Noisebridge-discuss] Freedom isn't Free
jake at spaz.org
Mon May 28 13:28:13 PDT 2012
while some people actually believe that wars establish right from wrong,
the progress of those wars is more predictable than a WWF wrestling* match
because it's based on funding.
hitler was able to wage war because wealthy businessmen invested in him,
because he provided a future which was attractive to those people. In
hitler's envisioned society, wealthy men would have much more power, in
fact the power of life and death, and the right to work slaves to death
(provided they weren't from the same breeding stock as the soldiers)
a lot of the funding that hitler received came from good old America,
where there were (and are) plenty of wealthy businessmen wanting some of
the power normally reserved for governments. In fact, businessmen tried
to pull a fascist coup in the USA in 1934, known as the Business Plot:
None of those involved were prosecuted or even investigated (unlike
many suspected "commies" during the red scare).
How many of those bankers were bankrolling hitler's rise to power?
George Bush's father was: (grandpa to our second Bush president)
The Occupy Wall Street movement seeks, among other things, to diminish the
power of Wall Street and the "businessmen" who do things like fund
fascism and warmongering presidents.
What are Soldiers' attitudes toward Occupy Wall Street?
I'm not going to try to guess how you vote, but military folks voted for
John McCain over Obama in 2008 by a factor of 3 to 1:
(unless the charts below are a total fabrication which is possible)
We all know Bush Jr. started both the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war,
for no legitimate reason (unless you include american hegemony).
McCain was running on a platform of more of the same.
And speaking for myself, I know that every single gung-ho proud military
booster and soldier I meet is proudly advertising how they can't wait to
get another Bush in the office so he can start more wars, unlike the
pacifist Obama who just wants to end all the wars and spoil all the fun.
So to me it seems like the same people who are fighting these wars (today)
are actually enjoying it a little too much, and maybe even encouraging
these wars. That's not very freedom-inducing (especially if you're an
Afghan) and in my opinion, it very much DISHONORS the freedom-fighters you
mention in your post, who saved us from fascism in the Good War WW II.
I think that the people on the Noisebridge Disuss list are pretty
universally anti-war and anti-fascist, and do not support Wall Street
economic power (which funds pro-war candidates and funded fascism in the
WW II era).
I am guessing that you have not been sending messages on military mailing
lists telling soldiers to honor the sacrifices of the WW II heroes by
voting for the pacifist candidate and supporting OWS. Am i wrong?
or is there a disconnect here?
You mention early in your post that there are still US military in harm's
way. What about the people in the sights of their guns? Aren't they in
harm's way too? Whose land are they on?
At maker faire, i was carrying a sign protesting Maker Faire's involvement
with DARPA. Some people who were critical of my sign actually suggested
that I wanted to "let Canada invade us." If the military you claim we
need is to defend us from the Canadians, sign me up right now. I fucking
love Canadians. They are beautiful and friendly and interesting.
Some other people critical of my sign kept saying "I'm glad you have the
freedom to carry that sign" suggesting that DARPA and the current US
military is responsible for my having freedom of speech. I disagree
heartily, and I offer such suggestions as evidence of how ridiculous are
the arguments of todays war boosters.
* - some people also believe WWF wrestling is real
Just a reminder on Memorial day..
Whatever you think of the wisdom of the current conflicts,
there are still US military folks in harm's way.
For those who think we do not need a military,
you are wrong.
We can debate the size and role of the military,
and that is a proper discussion to have for as long as we exist as a
However, Freedom isn't Free.
WW 2 showed that - without the sacrifice of many,
we would no longer exist as a country, and many of us would not be here
because the Japanese and Germans would have enslaved
and killed our parents and grandparents.
This is an historical fact.
I just met a Vet who was at Pearl Harbor on 7 Dev 1941.
So - please take a minute to reflect on
If you are Free, thank a Vet.
If you object to the above, please spend some time
at the Golden Gate National Cemetery
1300 Sneath Lane, San Bruno, CA 94006
Take a book on WW 2 Pacific battles.
You can match the dates of deaths to specific battles.
You are likely to be older than they were when they died.
Thanks ... bandit
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