[Noisebridge-discuss] Freedom isn't Free
Jeffrey Carl Faden
jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Mon May 28 13:32:38 PDT 2012
On May 28, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> while some people actually believe that wars establish right from wrong,
> the progress of those wars is more predictable than a WWF wrestling* match
> because it's based on funding.
> hitler was able to wage war because wealthy businessmen invested in him,
> because he provided a future which was attractive to those people. In
> hitler's envisioned society, wealthy men would have much more power, in
> fact the power of life and death, and the right to work slaves to death
> (provided they weren't from the same breeding stock as the soldiers)
> a lot of the funding that hitler received came from good old America,
> where there were (and are) plenty of wealthy businessmen wanting some of
> the power normally reserved for governments. In fact, businessmen tried
> to pull a fascist coup in the USA in 1934, known as the Business Plot:
> None of those involved were prosecuted or even investigated (unlike
> many suspected "commies" during the red scare).
> How many of those bankers were bankrolling hitler's rise to power?
> George Bush's father was: (grandpa to our second Bush president)
> The Occupy Wall Street movement seeks, among other things, to diminish the
> power of Wall Street and the "businessmen" who do things like fund
> fascism and warmongering presidents.
> What are Soldiers' attitudes toward Occupy Wall Street?
> I'm not going to try to guess how you vote, but military folks voted for
> John McCain over Obama in 2008 by a factor of 3 to 1:
> (unless the charts below are a total fabrication which is possible)
> We all know Bush Jr. started both the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war,
> for no legitimate reason (unless you include american hegemony).
> McCain was running on a platform of more of the same.
> And speaking for myself, I know that every single gung-ho proud military
> booster and soldier I meet is proudly advertising how they can't wait to
> get another Bush in the office so he can start more wars, unlike the
> pacifist Obama who just wants to end all the wars and spoil all the fun.
> So to me it seems like the same people who are fighting these wars (today)
> are actually enjoying it a little too much, and maybe even encouraging
> these wars. That's not very freedom-inducing (especially if you're an
> Afghan) and in my opinion, it very much DISHONORS the freedom-fighters you
> mention in your post, who saved us from fascism in the Good War WW II.
> I think that the people on the Noisebridge Disuss list are pretty
> universally anti-war and anti-fascist, and do not support Wall Street
> economic power (which funds pro-war candidates and funded fascism in the
> WW II era).
> I am guessing that you have not been sending messages on military mailing
> lists telling soldiers to honor the sacrifices of the WW II heroes by
> voting for the pacifist candidate and supporting OWS. Am i wrong?
> or is there a disconnect here?
> You mention early in your post that there are still US military in harm's
> way. What about the people in the sights of their guns? Aren't they in
> harm's way too? Whose land are they on?
> At maker faire, i was carrying a sign protesting Maker Faire's involvement
> with DARPA. Some people who were critical of my sign actually suggested
> that I wanted to "let Canada invade us." If the military you claim we
> need is to defend us from the Canadians, sign me up right now. I fucking
> love Canadians. They are beautiful and friendly and interesting.
> Some other people critical of my sign kept saying "I'm glad you have the
> freedom to carry that sign" suggesting that DARPA and the current US
> military is responsible for my having freedom of speech. I disagree
> heartily, and I offer such suggestions as evidence of how ridiculous are
> the arguments of todays war boosters.
> * - some people also believe WWF wrestling is real
> bandit wrote:
> Just a reminder on Memorial day..
> Whatever you think of the wisdom of the current conflicts,
> there are still US military folks in harm's way.
> For those who think we do not need a military,
> you are wrong.
> We can debate the size and role of the military,
> and that is a proper discussion to have for as long as we exist as a
> However, Freedom isn't Free.
> WW 2 showed that - without the sacrifice of many,
> we would no longer exist as a country, and many of us would not be here
> because the Japanese and Germans would have enslaved
> and killed our parents and grandparents.
> This is an historical fact.
> I just met a Vet who was at Pearl Harbor on 7 Dev 1941.
> So - please take a minute to reflect on
> If you are Free, thank a Vet.
> If you object to the above, please spend some time
> at the Golden Gate National Cemetery
> 1300 Sneath Lane, San Bruno, CA 94006
> Take a book on WW 2 Pacific battles.
> You can match the dates of deaths to specific battles.
> You are likely to be older than they were when they died.
> Thanks ... bandit
> bandit at cruzio.com
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