[Noisebridge-discuss] Extremely sketchy event w/ bikes just now
maestro415 at gmail.com
Thu Apr 11 23:28:23 UTC 2013
> police are not all bad all of the time
*yes. they are.
>Please do not suggest things that are harmful to the community and the
*'they'(police) are harmful to every community thus this includes and is
microcosmic to a hackerspace and/or anywhere else free and open...
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> What. This is a HUGE problem. I have major issues with this since the
> community is unable to police itself. This is DANGEROUS. We have had
> some issues in the past, like Susan getting sexually assaulted at a
> hackmeet where it would have been prudent to call the police. Or when
> Shawn (spelling) L, was in the space. This is just plain dangerous.
> Please do not suggest things that are harmful to the community and the
> A better suggestion would be to let them in but let them know that they
> can and WILL be recorded from the second they come in and then do so.
> Again, police are not all bad all of the time especially since we are
> unable to police ourselves.
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> NEVER let the police pass the downstairs locked door.
>> if you can, have someone stay downstairs that can keep them out and door
>> if people involved in incident need to go in and out have the person let
>> them in and out saying out loud "WE ARE NOT letting any police in" (they
>> will do everything they can to get inside) and they aren't allowed to come
>> in (great to have on film if they do).
>> IF they have to be called (which should be EXTREMELY RARE), make them
>> wait outside as in the example of the bikes or other theft it is NOT theft
>> until it LEAVES the property (same as retail stores) and you can open the
>> space to law suits.
>> you also NEVER want to let the police in because as soon as you do, they
>> can say they were let in and have more leverage to do lots of other shit in
>> the space that isn't even related to the call.
>> for documentation for NB to have:
>> ~ get the CAD number from the dispatcher on the phone
>> ~ get the dispatcher name and badge #
>> ~ get the names and badge #'s of ALL cops that arrive (and car #'s)
>> ~ whenever possible film the whole time with audio making sure to get ALL
>> their faces as well
>> if 'someone' lets them in, make them stay in one spot at the door(top)
>> not walk around.
>> if they try to walk around say "what are you doing? nothing happened over
>> there please talk to us HERE (door-top)
>> message ends
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Sai <i at s.ai> wrote:
>>> I would strongly advise against "donating" any abandoned bikes. You do
>>> not own them; that would be considered theft until the time for
>>> reclaiming them runs out officially, which can be years. (I tried
>>> looking through CA law just now to figure out what period applies, and
>>> it's not clear.)
>>> Turn them over to the police instead. I think they give you the option
>>> of "I want to have it if it's unclaimed".
>>> While we're at it: register your bikes with the police, so that your
>>> bike does get turned in, they call you. ;-)
>>> jof: The bikes did not seem to be locked when he removed them. One
>>> person thought he saw the person unchain a bike (presumably using a
>>> key), but wasn't sure about it.
>>> Nick: We weren't sure enough that they *weren't* his to physically
>>> stop him from taking them. The only other legal option would have been
>>> to call the police immediately, delay him from taking the bikes, and
>>> have them sort out ownership. My guess is that he'd've been arrested
>>> for drug somethingorother had police been called. We had about 30
>>> seconds to decide what to do.
>>> - Sai
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Ben Kochie <superq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I think I am going to start putting date stamp tags on bikes that look
>>> > abandoned after the Tuesday meetings. Bikes that have not moved will be
>>> > photographed and removed at the next meeting. They will be donated to
>>> > bike kitchen.
>>> > On Apr 10, 2013 8:38 PM, "Sai" <i at s.ai> wrote:
>>> >> Someone who seemed to be significantly disturbed (tweaking?) was just
>>> >> hustled out of Noisebridge and asked not to return except at a
>>> >> meeting.
>>> >> He took with him several bikes that he claimed to have been working
>>> >> on. We're not sure whether they were in fact his, or whether he just
>>> >> stole them.
>>> >> Here's short video of him leaving: http://youtu.be/r1hGw_dL90Q (sorry
>>> >> I didn't get better footage).
>>> >> 1. If you can confirm who owns the bikes in the video, or who the
>>> >> person is, please speak up.
>>> >> 2. If you are storing your bike at Noisebridge, please lock it, and
>>> >> please label it prominently with your name.
>>> >> 3. Please don't store your bike at Noisebridge for long periods of
>>> >> time, or we will probably think it's abandoned property.
>>> >> When something like this happens, we have very little time to decide
>>> >> how to respond appropriately.
>>> >> It would be very helpful for us to have an easy way whom a bike
>>> >> belongs to, so that we know whether we're dealing with a thief (in
>>> >> which case I would call the police to make an arrest) vs someone who's
>>> >> just being a dick with the space (in which case I think it's
>>> >> appropriate to ask them to leave).
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> - Sai
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