[Noisebridge-discuss] Extremely sketchy event w/ bikes just now]

name1355 at tormail.org name1355 at tormail.org
Fri Apr 12 10:05:06 UTC 2013


@Mitchel - My comment regarding the bike situation was meant to be
pragmatic.  I concede to your point though.

@Noisebridge - People often become reactionary when the topic of police
come up. Police have been known to abuse their power and to over-reach. A
lawyer would tell you to never talk to or allow a police officer to enter
your home without a warrant.  It seems valid to apply the same concept to
Noisebridge.  Of course, the exception to the rule is always in the case
of an emergency.

Having said that, police are people too.  In reality this flame war is
pointless because calling the police is not a preventative measure.  There
really should be someone dedicated to handling and neutralizing these
situations.

@Mitchel - Nothing is, nor has it ever been, "black and white".

> There aren't any other ethical options either.
>
> I am really bothered by what seems an almost egoist anarchism attitude
> lately. I understand the whole "anti-authority" thing, and the "fight the
> power" thing. However, there is always at least one (usually a lot more)
> incident in every person's life when they discover that the one person
> that they really need just happens to be one of those dreaded
> "authorities".
>
> Not even newspapers are black and white anymore.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/12/13, Sai <noisebridge at saizai.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM,  <name1355 at tormail.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Also regarding the bikes.  I think if you just set
>> the bikes on the curb
>> > and make an anonymous call to a Bike Kitchen volunteer
>> before hand, that
>> > will solve any legal problems, no?
>>
>> No, it would not.
>>
>> Doing that would open Noisebridge up to legal action by the
>> owner of
>> the bikes as well as from the Bike Kitchen volunteer whom
>> you are
>> setting up for a charge of property theft.
>>
>> You do not have the right to donate it, imply that it's
>> donated, break
>> it, destroy it, make it more vulnerable to theft (and any
>> reasonable
>> person would consider leaving a bike unlocked on the street
>> in the
>> Mission basically equivalent to giving it to a thief), or
>> anything of
>> the kind whatsoever.
>>
>> If you don't want it in the space, you have to return it to
>> the owner
>> or give it to the police. There aren't any other legal
>> options.
>>
>> - Sai
>
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