[Noisebridge-discuss] Extremely sketchy event w/ bikes just now]
everfalling at gmail.com
Fri Apr 12 10:21:00 UTC 2013
The security issue for noisebridge is like watching a camel emerge from a
horse designing committee. I swear almost no other sane organization has
this problem as badly as NB does.
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:05 AM, <name1355 at tormail.org> wrote:
> @Mitchel - My comment regarding the bike situation was meant to be
> pragmatic. I concede to your point though.
> @Noisebridge - People often become reactionary when the topic of police
> come up. Police have been known to abuse their power and to over-reach. A
> lawyer would tell you to never talk to or allow a police officer to enter
> your home without a warrant. It seems valid to apply the same concept to
> Noisebridge. Of course, the exception to the rule is always in the case
> of an emergency.
> Having said that, police are people too. In reality this flame war is
> pointless because calling the police is not a preventative measure. There
> really should be someone dedicated to handling and neutralizing these
> @Mitchel - Nothing is, nor has it ever been, "black and white".
> > There aren't any other ethical options either.
> > I am really bothered by what seems an almost egoist anarchism attitude
> > lately. I understand the whole "anti-authority" thing, and the "fight the
> > power" thing. However, there is always at least one (usually a lot more)
> > incident in every person's life when they discover that the one person
> > that they really need just happens to be one of those dreaded
> > "authorities".
> > Not even newspapers are black and white anymore.
> > --- On Fri, 4/12/13, Sai <noisebridge at saizai.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM, <name1355 at tormail.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Also regarding the bikes. I think if you just set
> >> the bikes on the curb
> >> > and make an anonymous call to a Bike Kitchen volunteer
> >> before hand, that
> >> > will solve any legal problems, no?
> >> No, it would not.
> >> Doing that would open Noisebridge up to legal action by the
> >> owner of
> >> the bikes as well as from the Bike Kitchen volunteer whom
> >> you are
> >> setting up for a charge of property theft.
> >> You do not have the right to donate it, imply that it's
> >> donated, break
> >> it, destroy it, make it more vulnerable to theft (and any
> >> reasonable
> >> person would consider leaving a bike unlocked on the street
> >> in the
> >> Mission basically equivalent to giving it to a thief), or
> >> anything of
> >> the kind whatsoever.
> >> If you don't want it in the space, you have to return it to
> >> the owner
> >> or give it to the police. There aren't any other legal
> >> options.
> >> - Sai
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