[Noisebridge-discuss] Extremely sketchy event w/ bikes just now

Ari Lacenski alacenski at gmail.com
Fri Apr 12 15:33:26 UTC 2013


Nameless, you keep offering your services under anonymity.

I don't feel protected or more interested in coming to NB under the
offered protection of someone who isn't in SF, isn't currently in the
community and won't say who they are.

Ari




On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:31 AM,  <name1355 at tormail.org> wrote:
> @Sai, is there an ethical and legal solution that can be put in place now
> to prevent the bike problem from happening in the future?  Albeit
> important to file a report, calling the police on a thief or aggressor
> isn't preventative.
>
> @Noisebridge: I know it would be an asset to have someone around who is
> dedicated to enforcing rules and facilitating the safety of Noisebridge
> and it's community.  Having someone who is dedicated to that process will
> remove the burden from members and visitors.
>
> I'm just throwing it out there because I know I'm coming back to San
> Francisco in a few months and I know I could do the job.  I have a lot of
> love for Noisebridge and I'd like to establish myself in the community
> when I get back.
>
> -Nameless
>
>> FWIW, I stand by what I said in the OP. If I believe someone in the space
>> is stealing something, I will call the police on them. I will also call
>> the
>> police for things such as assault.
>>
>> I should note that I'm also the guy making cards informing people about
>> how
>> to assert their rights with police. I am a strong fan of constitutional
>> rights and protecting oneself from wrongful or overreaching police action.
>>
>> But when it comes to getting someone to take care of violent behavior that
>> harms me or others in my community, that's who gets the job. I don't
>> believe in vigilantism or omertà .
>>
>> Ultimately it will always come down to a decision made by any of up to
>> five
>> or so people who have maybe a minute to decide (often more like 20 seconds
>> once they even realize what's going on). When shit happens, it is simply
>> not a time for consensus.
>>
>> My concern is that people making such decisions in the moment (including
>> me) have enough information to make an informed judgment about whether
>> they
>> are dealing with theft; legal but unwanted behavior; or just the amount of
>> craziness that we routinely tolerate.
>>
>> - Sai
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ken M. Haggerty
>> <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for the ambiguity and too-quick response.
>>>
>>> While I understand and appreciate trepidation and good judgment when
>>> deciding to involve the police or any government agencies, Noisebridge
>>> will
>>> cease to be a place where I am comfortable if safety-critical help is
>>> delayed or forbidden from anyone at Noisebridge because of another
>>> member's
>>> well- or ill-found paranoia.
>>>
>>> Maestro's original email outlining protocol was fine by me, but
>>> subsequent
>>> emails including the notion of "the police are harmful to every
>>> community"
>>> are worrisome. I always worry about anyone who deals in absolutes,
>>> regardless of political leanings.
>>>
>>> I still don't have any good answers to the safety situation other than
>>> moving Noisebridge out of the Mission (which seems implausible for now)
>>> or
>>> other ideas that go against Noisebridge's anarchistic and open culture.
>>>
>>> I don't believe turning unclaimed bikes over to police means that the
>>> police have to enter Noisebridge, but I am unfamiliar with such
>>> procedure
>>> so others should clarify if that is the case.
>>>
>>> -Ken
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mitchel McAllister
>>> <xonimmortal at yahoo.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you talking about maestro's
>>>> counter-counter-counter-counter-culture-culture stance, or Ron's
>>>> statement?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Thu, 4/11/13, Ken M. Haggerty <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If we have such idiotic policies in place then I will certainly cease
>>>> to
>>>> be a part of Noisebridge.
>>>> -Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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