[Noisebridge-discuss] Extremely sketchy event w/ bikes just now

name1355 at tormail.org name1355 at tormail.org
Sat Apr 13 17:18:41 UTC 2013


Ari,

I see your point entirely.  Let's remove me from the equation for a
moment. Noisebridge is supported by it's members.  With such a profound
purpose, support can undoubtedly prove a monumental task. Fostering an
environment that welcomes all is very important. It would prove beneficial
to ensure there is someone on hand at all times who is trained in skills
such as CPR and crisis intervention.  It should be their primary
responsibility to prevent dangerous situations and to respond in the case
of an emergency. This would remove that burden from other members.

Having said that, it shouldn't be one person who is trained and takes on
this responsibility. Perhaps several volunteer members could emerge and
take on the task together.

Getting back to me, I intentionally have no online presence. There is
nothing for me to provide you in that way. The best I can do is to show up
and make myself known when I arrive. Regardless, the issue has little to
do with me and more to do with safety. I simply saw a hole I could fill. I
could tell you things about me, but that would seem pointless unless
members were even considering such an idea.

All the Best,

Nameless

> Nameless, you keep offering your services under anonymity.
>
> I don't feel protected or more interested in coming to NB under the
> offered protection of someone who isn't in SF, isn't currently in the
> community and won't say who they are.
>
> Ari
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:31 AM,  <name1355 at tormail.org> wrote:
>> @Sai, is there an ethical and legal solution that can be put in place
>> now
>> to prevent the bike problem from happening in the future?  Albeit
>> important to file a report, calling the police on a thief or aggressor
>> isn't preventative.
>>
>> @Noisebridge: I know it would be an asset to have someone around who is
>> dedicated to enforcing rules and facilitating the safety of Noisebridge
>> and it's community.  Having someone who is dedicated to that process
>> will
>> remove the burden from members and visitors.
>>
>> I'm just throwing it out there because I know I'm coming back to San
>> Francisco in a few months and I know I could do the job.  I have a lot
>> of
>> love for Noisebridge and I'd like to establish myself in the community
>> when I get back.
>>
>> -Nameless
>>
>>> FWIW, I stand by what I said in the OP. If I believe someone in the
>>> space
>>> is stealing something, I will call the police on them. I will also call
>>> the
>>> police for things such as assault.
>>>
>>> I should note that I'm also the guy making cards informing people about
>>> how
>>> to assert their rights with police. I am a strong fan of constitutional
>>> rights and protecting oneself from wrongful or overreaching police
>>> action.
>>>
>>> But when it comes to getting someone to take care of violent behavior
>>> that
>>> harms me or others in my community, that's who gets the job. I don't
>>> believe in vigilantism or omertà .
>>>
>>> Ultimately it will always come down to a decision made by any of up to
>>> five
>>> or so people who have maybe a minute to decide (often more like 20
>>> seconds
>>> once they even realize what's going on). When shit happens, it is
>>> simply
>>> not a time for consensus.
>>>
>>> My concern is that people making such decisions in the moment
>>> (including
>>> me) have enough information to make an informed judgment about whether
>>> they
>>> are dealing with theft; legal but unwanted behavior; or just the amount
>>> of
>>> craziness that we routinely tolerate.
>>>
>>> - Sai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ken M. Haggerty
>>> <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the ambiguity and too-quick response.
>>>>
>>>> While I understand and appreciate trepidation and good judgment when
>>>> deciding to involve the police or any government agencies, Noisebridge
>>>> will
>>>> cease to be a place where I am comfortable if safety-critical help is
>>>> delayed or forbidden from anyone at Noisebridge because of another
>>>> member's
>>>> well- or ill-found paranoia.
>>>>
>>>> Maestro's original email outlining protocol was fine by me, but
>>>> subsequent
>>>> emails including the notion of "the police are harmful to every
>>>> community"
>>>> are worrisome. I always worry about anyone who deals in absolutes,
>>>> regardless of political leanings.
>>>>
>>>> I still don't have any good answers to the safety situation other than
>>>> moving Noisebridge out of the Mission (which seems implausible for
>>>> now)
>>>> or
>>>> other ideas that go against Noisebridge's anarchistic and open
>>>> culture.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe turning unclaimed bikes over to police means that the
>>>> police have to enter Noisebridge, but I am unfamiliar with such
>>>> procedure
>>>> so others should clarify if that is the case.
>>>>
>>>> -Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mitchel McAllister
>>>> <xonimmortal at yahoo.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you talking about maestro's
>>>>> counter-counter-counter-counter-culture-culture stance, or Ron's
>>>>> statement?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Thu, 4/11/13, Ken M. Haggerty <kenmhaggerty at gmail.com>*
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we have such idiotic policies in place then I will certainly cease
>>>>> to
>>>>> be a part of Noisebridge.
>>>>> -Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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