[Noisebridge-discuss] Feces and Urine in the shop

Sweet Tea Dorminy sweettea at MIT.EDU
Tue Apr 16 18:41:12 UTC 2013

I've been watching this discussion for a while from quite far away, and 
I agree that a mural full of proper Noisebridge Excellence would be a 
excellent idea. I should not, for context, that the Hacking Ethics mural 
is nearly worshipped; everyone who wishes to be a Hacker is customarily 
taken to the Ethics first and made to read them in detail, attempting to 
cement True Hacking Ethics in everyone who ever hacks at all. On the 
other hand, there's also some aura around the Ethics, saying that 
"Hacking is illegal, but if you get caught and are following the ethics, 
you'll be punished less." I'm not sure such a aura can be easily 
replicated when participating at Noisebridge is not illegal.

I would propose, as a potential solution for sleepers making the space 
less habitable for those awake, something I've seen implemented with 
some success: "You  can nap here, but everyone else is duty-bound to 
completely ignore you, and are duty-bound to be as loud as if you were 
awake, and you are duty-bound not to complain about noise because the 
purpose of the space is primarily not sleeping." I don't know if this is 
something currently implemented, having never attempted to sleep at nb, 
but I do believe it fits 'be excellent to each other'.

On 04/16/2013 01:54 PM, Ken M. Haggerty wrote:
> Thanks, Reverend Mik. *_This is really unacceptable._*
> I think it would do us some good to establish set of *_"Hacker 
> ethics"_* very much in line with what is at MIT:
> _http://tech.mit.edu/V127/N66/graphics/thumb-lg-hackingethics.jpg_
> These *_guidelines_* could be posted in LARGE LETTERS as a mural as 
> you enter the space so that it is made clear what is expected of 
> individuals whom are given the *_privilege_* to enjoy Noisebridge and 
> the community we as a whole have created.
> The idea of a *_non-binding_* set of *_protocols_* would be to 
> establish a normalization of behavior (a phrase I am sure will bother 
> more than a few people).
> One of the key things I have learned thus far in life is that *_you 
> really cannot assume anything of anyone_*, including "standards" of 
> behavior; not because "people are bad," but because...
> . People come from all sorts of backgrounds and experiences, and the 
> one experience that taught you not to pick your nose may not have 
> happened to someone else.
> . We are a product of the environment with which we surround ourselves.
> . Everything each of us knows is a result of an external input being 
> interpretted by an internal process, and we each have varying 
> reactions to external inputs.
> Those who are generally active in these discussions are likely not 
> those who are treating the space poorly, and so these email threads 
> are *_preaching to the choir_* + the few "trolls" who, to a limited 
> extent, do us a service by engaging debate (and then usually things 
> fall to pieces...).
> _The challenge then is in determining what characteristics of 
> Noisebridge are indeed are part of our proud character and which are 
> merely correlational and/or detrimental and should be changed._
> I may or may not be at tonight's meeting as I am leaving for NYC 
> tomorrow for a week.
> -Ken
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Mitchel McAllister 
> <xonimmortal at yahoo.com <mailto:xonimmortal at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>     There were no dogs in the space last night that I know of.
>     However, it was brought to my attention early this morning that
>     there have been bottles and other containers full of urine found
>     in hidden places in the space. It doesn't make sense to me either.
>     - Reverend Mik McAllister
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>     --- On *Tue, 4/16/13, jarrod hicks /<hicksu at gmail.com
>     <mailto:hicksu at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>         From: jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com <mailto:hicksu at gmail.com>>
>         Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Feces and Urine in the shop
>         To: "NoiseBridge Discuss"
>         <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>         <mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>>
>         Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:33 AM
>         I arrived at Noisebridge about 15 minutes ago to get some work
>         done. There was a large pile of feces next to the table saw
>         and a drying puddle of urine next to the drill press. I have
>         cleaned up the feces and am in the process of drying,
>         sweeping, and cleaning up the urine.
>         This is the second time within the last week that there has
>         been feces in the shop, and more than the second time that I
>         have found urine in the space.
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