[Noisebridge-discuss] Feces and Urine in the shop

Leif Ryge leif at synthesize.us
Wed Apr 17 00:43:46 UTC 2013


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:44:22PM -0700, Ken M. Haggerty wrote:
> Psychologically speaking it doesn't take much to change a person's
> behavior. It can be as little as a prominent mural saying "Be Excellent!"
> at the entrance. That reminder can trigger improved behavior in all facets
> in the same way that various other messages have been used to change human
> behavior, from "Wear safety goggles" (leads to general care/awareness when
> handling tools) to "Please curb after your dog" (also encourages / allows
> people to reprimand those who don't).
> 
> Of course, in the spirit of making such a reminder optimistic and
> welcoming, it would state things in positives ("Our space is your space!")
> rather than negatives ("Don't leave your shit all over the place!").
> 
> -Ken

I think "wear safety goggles" signs in the shop and "pick up your dog's
poop" signs outdoors are reasonable and probably somewhat effective.
Vice-versa, not so much.

A "be excellent to each other" mural at NB could be most excellent!

~leif

> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:54:11AM -0700, Ken M. Haggerty wrote:
> > > Thanks, Reverend Mik. *This is really unacceptable.*
> > >
> > > I think it would do us some good to establish set of *"Hacker ethics"*
> > very
> > > much in line with what is at MIT:
> > > *http://tech.mit.edu/V127/N66/graphics/thumb-lg-hackingethics.jpg*
> > >
> > > These *guidelines* could be posted in LARGE LETTERS as a mural as you
> > enter
> > > the space so that it is made clear what is expected of individuals whom
> > are
> > > given the *privilege* to enjoy Noisebridge and the community we as a
> > whole
> > > have created.
> > >
> > > The idea of a *non-binding* set of *protocols* would be to establish a
> > > normalization of behavior (a phrase I am sure will bother more than a few
> > > people).
> > >
> > > One of the key things I have learned thus far in life is that *you really
> > > cannot assume anything of anyone*, including "standards" of behavior; not
> > > because "people are bad," but because...
> > >
> > > • People come from all sorts of backgrounds and experiences, and the one
> > > experience that taught you not to pick your nose may not have happened to
> > > someone else.
> > > • We are a product of the environment with which we surround ourselves.
> > > • Everything each of us knows is a result of an external input being
> > > interpretted by an internal process, and we each have varying reactions
> > to
> > > external inputs.
> > >
> > > Those who are generally active in these discussions are likely not those
> > > who are treating the space poorly, and so these email threads are
> > *preaching
> > > to the choir* + the few "trolls" who, to a limited extent, do us a
> > service
> > > by engaging debate (and then usually things fall to pieces...).
> > >
> > > *The challenge then is in determining what characteristics of Noisebridge
> > > are indeed are part of our proud character and which are merely
> > > correlational and/or detrimental and should be changed.*
> > >
> > > I may or may not be at tonight's meeting as I am leaving for NYC tomorrow
> > > for a week.
> > >
> > > -Ken
> >
> > I think the issues in this thread (feces and urine in the shop, and
> > bottles of urine being left elsewhere) are ideal examples of behavior
> > that is unlikely to be prevented by posting signs with rules or
> > guidelines. Can anyone imagine someone believing it was ok to do these
> > things, but then, upon seeing a sign declaring that this is unacceptable
> > behavior, realizing the error of their ways? I certainly can't.
> > (Meanwhile, what effect might such signs have on the vast majority of
> > people who would never consider leaving bottles of urine in the space?)
> >
> > Thank you, Jarrod, for cleaning up this and other messes which were not
> > yours!
> >
> > If anyone knows the source of any kind of mess left in the space, please
> > ask the persons responsible to clean up their mess!
> >
> > A few days ago while I was at Noisebridge a grey dog was seen urinating.
> > The person who saw it got up and located the dogs owner, who promptly
> > cleaned it up. I think it should be entirely uncontroversial to say that
> > if your dog isn't house trained you shouldn't bring it to Noisebridge.
> > But I don't think we need a sign to that effect.
> >
> > ~leif
> >
> > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Mitchel McAllister
> > > <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > There were no dogs in the space last night that I know of.
> > > >
> > > > However, it was brought to my attention early this morning that there
> > have
> > > > been bottles and other containers full of urine found in hidden places
> > in
> > > > the space. It doesn't make sense to me either.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Reverend Mik McAllister
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > "You can see the summit but you can't reach it
> > > > Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit
> > > > Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the pain
> > > > Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain"
> > > >  - Howard Jones, "No One Is To Blame"
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Purveyor of Subversive Fiction
> > > > http://www.prismandink.com
> > > > http://www.lunatextpublications.com
> > > >
> > > > --- On *Tue, 4/16/13, jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com>* wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Feces and Urine in the shop
> > > > To: "NoiseBridge Discuss" <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:33 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I arrived at Noisebridge about 15 minutes ago to get some work done.
> > There
> > > > was a large pile of feces next to the table saw and a drying puddle of
> > > > urine next to the drill press. I have cleaned up the feces and am in
> > the
> > > > process of drying, sweeping, and cleaning up the urine.
> > > >
> > > > This is the second time within the last week that there has been feces
> > in
> > > > the shop, and more than the second time that I have found urine in the
> > > > space.
> > > >
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