[Noisebridge-discuss] today's noon sleephackers

Rachel McConnell rachel at xtreme.com
Fri Aug 9 21:39:47 UTC 2013


The way to doocratically create policy change is to convince enough 
people that your proposed policy will improve NB, such that they 
voluntarily adhere to it.  Like I said before, not easy!  But people are 
in fact trying this, which is why I complained about your statement that 
"nobody is doing anything about it".

On 8/9/13 2:18 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
> Yeah, i know about doocracy and i know there was a rebase. Still, i
> think  the place would be much better without the kitchen and switch it
> to a ''pay what you can'' communal coffee and microwave station. Which i
> have brought up a lot. I'm not going to be an enabler for the idealist,
> autocratic consensus that knows no compromise by cleaning, etc. there
> needs to be a policy change and no amount of doacracy will allow that.
>
> On Aug 9, 2013 1:54 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <rachel at xtreme.com
> <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
>
>     Anyone who wants to donate in the meantime, see
>     https://www.noisebridge.net/__wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues
>     <https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues>
>
>     On 8/9/13 1:52 PM, Rachel McConnell wrote:
>
>         Nicholas, I think it is unfair to say, "noone is doing anything
>         about
>         it".  First, lots of people are doing things, but since there is
>         not a
>         full consensus about what the problem is nor what is best to do
>         about
>         it, sometimes these things counteract each other (e.g. the sleeping
>         pods) so it's often hard to see.  Also, the problem (broadly
>         defined as
>         non-hackers doing stuff that impedes hacking) is a hard one to
>         solve, as
>         it is not obvious how to a) identify non-hackers nor how to b)
>         either
>         make them into hackers or encourage them to not-hack elsewhere.
>
>         Second, if you want changes to happen, please please please make
>         them
>         happen yourself!  You have heard, endlessly, about "doocracy".
>           It is
>         really a thing.  That is really how shit gets done at NB.  Yeah,
>         not a
>         lot of shit gets done, and some things that everyone agrees would be
>         nice to happen, don't, but that's only because nobody has
>         stepped up to
>         actually do them.  You could do them, you know.  (You too,
>         everyone else
>         who is reading this.)
>
>         Daniel, regarding the donation box: it was stolen some time back
>         according to an earlier thread.  I'm in process of making a new,
>         heavy
>         and sturdy steel one, but it will take me another week or so.
>           Anyone
>         who wants to provide one in the meantime, feel free.
>
>         Rachel1.0
>
>         On 8/9/13 1:44 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>
>             Fair enough. I do think a lot of changes at noisebridge need
>             to be made,
>             but nothing is enforceable. Sooo, idk. It's just annoying to
>             keep
>             hearing the same problem and no one is doing anything about
>             it. I agree
>             it's a problem that detracts from other peoples use of the
>             space. I took
>             the picture joke too sensitively. It's friday, be happy!
>
>             I do love noisebridge and am upset nothing changes accept
>             the slow,
>             entropic demise of the space.
>
>             On Aug 9, 2013 1:35 PM, "Daniel Kelly"
>             <arrays.tostring at gmail.com <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>
>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.__com
>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>                  Nicholas, I carefully excluded clear pictures of
>             anyone's face from
>                  the photos I posted.
>
>                  I wouldn't want to accidentally leak the identity of a
>             Noisebridge
>                  bunk bed crasher or couch sleeper.
>
>                  That could be anyone in the bunk beds.  If it was a
>             couple of body
>                  pillows
>                  plus animated mannequin heads, I apologize.  Excellent
>             hack.
>
>                  ok snarkiness off.  I'm sorry for being rude. There's a
>             huge bunch
>                  of homeless guys camping in noisebridge again.
>
>                  In an unrelated item, I wanted to drop off my
>             traditional $10
>                  donation of whenever I walk through the door of 2169
>             Mission, but I
>                  couldn't find the donation box.
>
>                  Have a nice day (really).
>
>                  On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Rachel McConnell
>             <rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>
>                  <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>>>
>             wrote:
>
>                      Rules?  What rules?  We have *one* guideline: Be
>             excellent to
>                      each other.
>
>                      It is of course a matter of debate whether the
>             following are
>                      excellent, or which is less excellent:
>
>                      * sleeping at NB
>                      * photographing sleepers at NB
>
>                      Rachel1.0
>
>
>                      On 8/9/13 12:54 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>
>                          I wish you'd do something interesting with your
>             time in the
>                          space.
>                          Instead you break the rules photographing
>             people without
>                          their consent.
>
>                          The guy in camo pants fell asleep reading about
>             calculus and
>                          actually
>                          understands java really well.
>
>                          Please attend the next meeting, Daniel. I'm not
>             sure you
>                          understand the
>                          rules of this place.
>
>                          On Aug 9, 2013 12:13 PM, "Daniel Kelly"
>                          <arrays.tostring at gmail.com
>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>
>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.__com
>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>
>                          <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.
>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.>____com
>                          <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.__com
>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>
>                               They look so peaceful
>
>             http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____fVTplDL
>             <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__fVTplDL>
>                          <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__fVTplDL
>             <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#fVTplDL>>
>             http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____JdP9laC
>             <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__JdP9laC>
>                          <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__JdP9laC
>             <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#JdP9laC>>
>
>
>               Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz____zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>
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