[Noisebridge-discuss] today's noon sleephackers

Nicholas LoCicero nick.locicero at gmail.com
Fri Aug 9 21:48:03 UTC 2013


It was poorly worded. My apologies. I think 'nothing seems to be working
yet' is more what I meant. Although, some things are beginning to work. If
there's anything i can do, please let me know! :)
On Aug 9, 2013 2:39 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:

> The way to doocratically create policy change is to convince enough people
> that your proposed policy will improve NB, such that they voluntarily
> adhere to it.  Like I said before, not easy!  But people are in fact trying
> this, which is why I complained about your statement that "nobody is doing
> anything about it".
>
> On 8/9/13 2:18 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>
>> Yeah, i know about doocracy and i know there was a rebase. Still, i
>> think  the place would be much better without the kitchen and switch it
>> to a ''pay what you can'' communal coffee and microwave station. Which i
>> have brought up a lot. I'm not going to be an enabler for the idealist,
>> autocratic consensus that knows no compromise by cleaning, etc. there
>> needs to be a policy change and no amount of doacracy will allow that.
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2013 1:54 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <rachel at xtreme.com
>> <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Anyone who wants to donate in the meantime, see
>>     https://www.noisebridge.net/__**wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues<https://www.noisebridge.net/__wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues>
>>     <https://www.noisebridge.net/**wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues<https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues>
>> >
>>
>>     On 8/9/13 1:52 PM, Rachel McConnell wrote:
>>
>>         Nicholas, I think it is unfair to say, "noone is doing anything
>>         about
>>         it".  First, lots of people are doing things, but since there is
>>         not a
>>         full consensus about what the problem is nor what is best to do
>>         about
>>         it, sometimes these things counteract each other (e.g. the
>> sleeping
>>         pods) so it's often hard to see.  Also, the problem (broadly
>>         defined as
>>         non-hackers doing stuff that impedes hacking) is a hard one to
>>         solve, as
>>         it is not obvious how to a) identify non-hackers nor how to b)
>>         either
>>         make them into hackers or encourage them to not-hack elsewhere.
>>
>>         Second, if you want changes to happen, please please please make
>>         them
>>         happen yourself!  You have heard, endlessly, about "doocracy".
>>           It is
>>         really a thing.  That is really how shit gets done at NB.  Yeah,
>>         not a
>>         lot of shit gets done, and some things that everyone agrees would
>> be
>>         nice to happen, don't, but that's only because nobody has
>>         stepped up to
>>         actually do them.  You could do them, you know.  (You too,
>>         everyone else
>>         who is reading this.)
>>
>>         Daniel, regarding the donation box: it was stolen some time back
>>         according to an earlier thread.  I'm in process of making a new,
>>         heavy
>>         and sturdy steel one, but it will take me another week or so.
>>           Anyone
>>         who wants to provide one in the meantime, feel free.
>>
>>         Rachel1.0
>>
>>         On 8/9/13 1:44 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>>
>>             Fair enough. I do think a lot of changes at noisebridge need
>>             to be made,
>>             but nothing is enforceable. Sooo, idk. It's just annoying to
>>             keep
>>             hearing the same problem and no one is doing anything about
>>             it. I agree
>>             it's a problem that detracts from other peoples use of the
>>             space. I took
>>             the picture joke too sensitively. It's friday, be happy!
>>
>>             I do love noisebridge and am upset nothing changes accept
>>             the slow,
>>             entropic demise of the space.
>>
>>             On Aug 9, 2013 1:35 PM, "Daniel Kelly"
>>             <arrays.tostring at gmail.com <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**
>> com <arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>
>>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**__com
>>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**com<arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>                  Nicholas, I carefully excluded clear pictures of
>>             anyone's face from
>>                  the photos I posted.
>>
>>                  I wouldn't want to accidentally leak the identity of a
>>             Noisebridge
>>                  bunk bed crasher or couch sleeper.
>>
>>                  That could be anyone in the bunk beds.  If it was a
>>             couple of body
>>                  pillows
>>                  plus animated mannequin heads, I apologize.  Excellent
>>             hack.
>>
>>                  ok snarkiness off.  I'm sorry for being rude. There's a
>>             huge bunch
>>                  of homeless guys camping in noisebridge again.
>>
>>                  In an unrelated item, I wanted to drop off my
>>             traditional $10
>>                  donation of whenever I walk through the door of 2169
>>             Mission, but I
>>                  couldn't find the donation box.
>>
>>                  Have a nice day (really).
>>
>>                  On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Rachel McConnell
>>             <rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>
>>                  <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                      Rules?  What rules?  We have *one* guideline: Be
>>             excellent to
>>                      each other.
>>
>>                      It is of course a matter of debate whether the
>>             following are
>>                      excellent, or which is less excellent:
>>
>>                      * sleeping at NB
>>                      * photographing sleepers at NB
>>
>>                      Rachel1.0
>>
>>
>>                      On 8/9/13 12:54 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>>
>>                          I wish you'd do something interesting with your
>>             time in the
>>                          space.
>>                          Instead you break the rules photographing
>>             people without
>>                          their consent.
>>
>>                          The guy in camo pants fell asleep reading about
>>             calculus and
>>                          actually
>>                          understands java really well.
>>
>>                          Please attend the next meeting, Daniel. I'm not
>>             sure you
>>                          understand the
>>                          rules of this place.
>>
>>                          On Aug 9, 2013 12:13 PM, "Daniel Kelly"
>>                          <arrays.tostring at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**com<arrays.tostring at gmail.com>
>> >
>>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**__com
>>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**com<arrays.tostring at gmail.com>
>> >>
>>                          <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.
>>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**>____com
>>                          <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**__com
>>             <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**com<arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>                               They look so peaceful
>>
>>             http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____**fVTplDL<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____fVTplDL>
>>             <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__**fVTplDL<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__fVTplDL>
>> >
>>                          <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__**fVTplDL<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__fVTplDL>
>>             <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#**fVTplDL<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#fVTplDL>
>> >>
>>             http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____**JdP9laC<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____JdP9laC>
>>             <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__**JdP9laC<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__JdP9laC>
>> >
>>                          <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__**JdP9laC<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__JdP9laC>
>>             <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#**JdP9laC<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#JdP9laC>
>> >>
>>
>>
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