[Noisebridge-discuss] Sunday morning sleeper.

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Mon Dec 9 18:38:31 UTC 2013


My mistake. So (and I realize that not everyone pays attention to the
mailing list and this thread), does anyone know any members who are okay
with sleeping overnight in the space?

Also, your approach sounds the same as mine: I understand that making
demands doesn't get cooperation. I gently wake people up, tell them my
name, explain that sleeping overnight at Noisebridge is unexcellent, tell
them they can bring up the issue at the Tuesday meetings if they feel like
this is something that should change.

The reason I've found it necessary to ask people to leave the space is
because in every case but once if I simply wake them up, they are back
asleep within a half hour if they think I've left.


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 09:15:32AM -0800, Al Sweigart wrote:
> > I'm not sure if there are any members who say they are fine with people
> > crashing overnight at Noisebridge (please speak up if you are. I think
> Leif
> > maybe? Or maybe he thinks napping is fine but overnight sleeping isn't?
> > Either way, I don't want to speak for him.)
>
> Ha. I've actually asked numerous people not to sleep overnight at
> Noisebridge,
> and back when we had the hacker stacker napping pods to direct people to I
> also
> woke up presumably non-overnight nappers in the library a few times so
> that I
> could use the couch for sitting.
>
> Unlike you, I've rarely had cause to ask the same person twice. I suspect
> this
> is because my approach is different: I've introduced myself to them, asked
> about their situation, and explained that having the space used for lodging
> makes it inhospitable for its intended uses. When I was frequenting
> Noisebridge
> in the morning, I also tended to wait until people woke up on their own
> before
> talking to them about it. In other words, I made an appeal to reason
> instead of
> an appeal to authority. I recommend that you try this approach.
>
> I've never found it necessary to ask someone to leave the space because of
> sleeping (though I've asked plenty of people to leave for other reasons).
>
> > As for the sleepers themselves, I think one has been an associate
> member, but
> > the rest aren't members. And by far the majority of people who come to
> > Noisebridge don't sleep here themselves.
>
> I think spinach's reply to your comment about "what the community thinks"
> was
> intended to highlight your implicit defining of "the community" to exclude
> sleepers. (An actual case of begging the question! ;)
>
> > Meanwhile, the opposition to people sleeping at the space is pretty vocal
> > and consistent. The hacker stackers were taken down because they weren't
> > just being used for naps. Don't confuse the exception for the rule.
>
> I think the HSNPs were actually disassembled by Andrew Byrne purely in an
> attempt to regain some social capital. I think it's a shame, because they
> were
> actually frequently used for napping and in my experience every individual
> who
> overused them did cease when asked to.
>
> ~leif
>
> > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, spinach williams <
> spinach.williams at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > clearly, the community thinks different things about it, because part
> of
> > > the community is still doing it
> > >
>
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