[Noisebridge-discuss] Keeping associate members in their place

jim jim at well.com
Thu Dec 19 18:26:11 UTC 2013


Great points! Kudos! 




On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 08:56 -0800, bfb wrote:
> Al and Madelynn,
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> Both in this thread and at the last meeting I have been overwhelmed
> with the sense that this will never become a dialog. It feels like an
> epic monolog that's bound to flame out.
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> But let' try anyway...
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> What I did say on Tuesday was that 1. I didn't know where to begin and
> 2. Quoted the first line from noisebridge.net "Noisebridge is an
> infrastructure provider for technical-creative projects,
> collaboratively run by our members." Which is to say, not only a space
> where collaboration happens, but a space collaboratively run by our
> members. Your proposal derides this statement in two ways. 1. Moving
> to a majoritarian system creates less opportunity for collaboration on
> decision making and 2. It hands over the process to a board of
> directors from the hands of the membership.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Al Sweigart 
> Date:12/18/2013 19:06 (GMT-08:00) 
> To: Rubin Abdi 
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss 
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Keeping associate members in their
> place 
> 
> It's in the meeting
> notes: https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_12_17
> 
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> Basically, Danny blocks because other people would block. Kevin blocks
> because Noisebridge is a collaborative space and majority voting would
> undo or impinge on that. I encourage them (or anyone else) to correct
> this description, but it's what I came away from the meeting with.
> (And, of course, if Danny and Kevin don't have time to reply to the
> list, that doesn't mean they implicitly agree with my description.)
> 
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> The "other people who would block" I can only take a guess at, and
> half of them aren't even living in SF anymore. If I try to read
> people's minds about this issue I'm going to fail; I'd rather have
> them chime in on the mailing list or show up at a meeting if they have
> strong feelings about this.
> 
> 
> -Al
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> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
>         Al Sweigart wrote, On 2013-12-18 18:44:
>         > The most common tactic in Noisebridge politics is to get
>         people to stop
>         > speaking up about issues.
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>         Then that sounds like an entirely different issue that needs
>         attention.
>         Don't cut off the finger when all that is needed is a bandage.
>         
>         If I were you I would call out those members.
>         
>         --
>         Rubin
>         rubin at starset.net
>         
> 
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