[Noisebridge-discuss] Thought crimes at Noisebridge, and how can we stop them?

jim jim at systemateka.com
Thu Dec 19 20:46:57 UTC 2013



    This idea has come up in times past and 
not taken hold. The objection seems to be 
that a separate list ghetto-izes such 
discussions away from the general community. 
    It's a pain to suffer through long 
discussions about which one is disinterested, 
and the remedy is to inspect the Subject: 
headings and ignore some. 
    The benefit to keeping such discussions 
on the general discuss list is that everyone 
has access to the discussions, and any impetus 
developed by a limited group is immediately 
subject to inspection. 



On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 12:24 -0800, Madelynn Martiniere wrote:
> I, for one, am really pleased to see so much discussion about the
> future of Noisebridge. 
> 
> The conversation about finding solutions for Noisebridge is obviously
> a heated topic, and there are passionate views on both sides. That's a
> good thing, it means that people still care about the space and the
> community that has been built, and want it to thrive.
> 
> There are also others who have expressed, particularly in this thread
> that they don't believe that a) anything needs fixing, and b) they
> don't want to be involved in these kind of discussions.
> 
> For the sake of keeping the discussion going, while respecting those
> who don't want to be involved in it, I would like to propose a
> separate list for solution-oriented discussion about the difficulties
> that Noisebridge is facing.
> 
> This will hopefully keep down some of the traffic on this list, moving
> the focus back to cool projects and hacks.
> 
> I'm unfamiliar with the process, would anyone else be willing to help
> me with this (in the spirit of do-acracy?)
> 
> Cheers,
> Madelynn
> 
> > 
> > jim
> > December 19, 2013 12:04 PM
> > (My recollection is) originally we 
> > had declared that we must remember that 
> > members may participate in various, all 
> > valid, means: The Tuesday Night Meeting, 
> > IRC, various mailman lists.... 
> > Managing these (and other) media is 
> > too great a job for any one person (and 
> > thanks for trying!). 
> > My take was to have faith in others 
> > and don't try to fix problems--let the 
> > group dynamics take their courses and 
> > hope for the best (and get active with 
> > respect to things that impinge directly). 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > Madelynn Martiniere
> > December 18, 2013 7:41 PM
> > Trying to find community is a thought crime? My bad, I didn't
> > realize the opinion of people who care about the future of the space
> > were so criminal.
> > 
> > Considering this statement in your previous email: 
> > And let's be honest, Noisebridge in the last two years (or even from
> > the
> > beginning) hasn't been the best establishment to go flaunt around
> > saying
> > you're a member of. It's sort of like telling all your friends
> > you're a
> > paying member of the festering techno trash dump and care home for
> > the
> > socially dongz, while mice and rats run around inside your sports
> > blazer.
> > 
> > Are you saying that it's not worth fixing because it's so messed up?
> > Because if so, then you're in no position to tell other people not
> > to try. If you're that sick and tired of hearing other people try to
> > fix a broken system, then I would suggest the alternative of just
> > not participating in any discussion about the space. Just hack some
> > things, and leave the rest of us to find productive solutions.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Madelynn
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rubin Abdi
> > December 18, 2013 6:37 PM
> > I'm getting sick and tired of people thinking they can fix
> > Noisebridge.
> > How can we put an end to this issue?
> > 
> > 
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> 
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> Madelynn Martiniere
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