[Noisebridge-discuss] Thought crimes at Noisebridge, and how can we stop them?

jim jim at systemateka.com
Thu Dec 19 21:45:49 UTC 2013


    I believe I've got the gist right, retry: 

    For people to participate in the list they 
must join it explicitly. 
    For various reasons ("I don't care", "I'll 
get around to it later", "I'm not joining those 
fascists"...) many people will not join a 
specific list, hence the discussions will be 
among people who are interested at the time the 
list is announced. 
    Note that one person's interest does not 
necessarily map well to everyone's interest. 
    The tendency of list subscribers will be to 
develop a direction with respect to the personal 
views of the list subscribers. The result will 
likely be a policy proposal that has matured 
without benefit of dissent. 





On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 12:55 -0800, Madelynn Martiniere wrote:
> I think you miss my intention, I never mentioned it being a limited
> group? Currently all our groups are open to anyone who subscribes. 
> 
> > 
> > jim
> > December 19, 2013 12:46 PM
> > 
> > This idea has come up in times past and 
> > not taken hold. The objection seems to be 
> > that a separate list ghetto-izes such 
> > discussions away from the general community. 
> > It's a pain to suffer through long 
> > discussions about which one is disinterested, 
> > and the remedy is to inspect the Subject: 
> > headings and ignore some. 
> > The benefit to keeping such discussions 
> > on the general discuss list is that everyone 
> > has access to the discussions, and any impetus 
> > developed by a limited group is immediately 
> > subject to inspection. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > jim
> > December 19, 2013 12:04 PM
> > (My recollection is) originally we 
> > had declared that we must remember that 
> > members may participate in various, all 
> > valid, means: The Tuesday Night Meeting, 
> > IRC, various mailman lists.... 
> > Managing these (and other) media is 
> > too great a job for any one person (and 
> > thanks for trying!). 
> > My take was to have faith in others 
> > and don't try to fix problems--let the 
> > group dynamics take their courses and 
> > hope for the best (and get active with 
> > respect to things that impinge directly). 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > Madelynn Martiniere
> > December 18, 2013 7:41 PM
> > Trying to find community is a thought crime? My bad, I didn't
> > realize the opinion of people who care about the future of the space
> > were so criminal.
> > 
> > Considering this statement in your previous email: 
> > And let's be honest, Noisebridge in the last two years (or even from
> > the
> > beginning) hasn't been the best establishment to go flaunt around
> > saying
> > you're a member of. It's sort of like telling all your friends
> > you're a
> > paying member of the festering techno trash dump and care home for
> > the
> > socially dongz, while mice and rats run around inside your sports
> > blazer.
> > 
> > Are you saying that it's not worth fixing because it's so messed up?
> > Because if so, then you're in no position to tell other people not
> > to try. If you're that sick and tired of hearing other people try to
> > fix a broken system, then I would suggest the alternative of just
> > not participating in any discussion about the space. Just hack some
> > things, and leave the rest of us to find productive solutions.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Madelynn
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rubin Abdi
> > December 18, 2013 6:37 PM
> > I'm getting sick and tired of people thinking they can fix
> > Noisebridge.
> > How can we put an end to this issue?
> > 
> > 
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