[Noisebridge-discuss] Radio: FCC rejection letter

Adrian Chadd adrian.chadd at gmail.com
Sat Dec 21 02:48:40 UTC 2013


Dear Noisebridgers,

Don't fuck with the FCC.

Addendum: Don't fuck with the FCC unless you have a legal team
familiar with the FCC and a good working relationship with the FCC so
you can negotiate on things when they decide to change their minds.

They have a habit of not liking people who game the rules. Doubly so
if they decide they wish to make / clarify one of their fuzzy rules.

Yours truly,

Someone who has heard enough horror stories about the FCC when working
for a company that makes those pesky FCC compliant microwave
transmitters you all use.



-a


On 20 December 2013 18:34, Alex Buie <alex.buie at frozenfeline.net> wrote:
> As long as each transmitter complies with part 15 (and we're careful with
> content) there should be no issues.
>
> At least, theoretically :+)
>
> On Dec 20, 2013 9:06 PM, "Norman Bradley" <pryankster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> J.C. Please wait for a week.
>>
>> To protect myself and my Ham license I will be at the Tuesday meeting and
>> resign as "Radio Officer". I didn't want the job in the first place and now
>> I can leave it. In addition I will need to change our FCC records to reflect
>> that. A single "station" is fine. Range about 200 ft., maybe 500 feet.
>> Multiple "meshed" stations may bring the FCC down around our heads.
>>
>> After I resign if you want to put Noisebridge in danger of having $10,000
>> fines it will be on your head.
>>
>> You are entitled to your own opinion.
>> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> On 12/20/2013 4:15 PM, J.C. wrote:
>>
>> ...specifically the FCC Unlicensed Part 15 devices
>>
>> Unlicensed operation on the AM and FM radio broadcast bands is permitted
>> for some extremely low powered devices covered under Part 15 of the FCC's
>> rules.  On FM frequencies, these devices are limited to an effective service
>> range of approximately 200 feet (61 meters).
>>
>> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/low-power-broadcast-radio-stations#PART15
>>
>> So what if you combined that with a "mesh" aspect, and you could create
>> pocket stations around the city
>>
>> Seems like it would make for a fun kit as well, building mini fm
>> transmitters & receivers.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM, J.C. <r33lmm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So I see a couple of ways to hack this, all is not lost in the
>>> broadcasting realm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are drawers at the front desk station currently used to hold
>>>> office supplies. The membership binder is kept near there also. Its probably
>>>> the best place even though it isn't locked.
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 2013 8:57 AM, "Noisebridge Radio"
>>>> <noisebridgeradio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When I filed I was afraid that that the physical distance might be a
>>>>> problem. I filed for channel 215 (90.9 MHz). In the Bay Area there just
>>>>> isn't much / anything available. The best candidate frequency 102.5 had 8
>>>>> different organizations file for it in San Francisco alone. In many ways the
>>>>> FCC rules haven't kept up with technology. The reason for the distance /
>>>>> adjacent channel rules have to do with selectivity and signal rejection. Due
>>>>> to the nature of FM radio if you have 2 transmitters on the same frequency
>>>>> (generally) a radio will only pick up the most powerful signal and you won't
>>>>> hear the weaker one at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was an interesting experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that Hilaire is working on an internet radio project so all
>>>>> is not lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. Is there a place to store paper records at Noisebridge. I can keep
>>>>> them however as time goes by they may get misplaced or forgotten and if
>>>>> anybody deals with the FCC for any reason in the future they may be
>>>>> necessary. It would better if they were stored up there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello hammies (or whatever). The FCC thinks we're too close to other
>>>>>> radio stations. Here's their letter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ThanX,
>>> ;+)
>>>
>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Fort
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ;+)
>>
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