[Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that...

Gavin Knight gnnrok at gmail.com
Mon Jun 17 22:02:58 UTC 2013


This is a tough situation. Just a reminder the list is public and
accessible via google, so probably a meeting is a good place for this.

I'm sure someone could arrange a video chat or something for anyone
who is not near Noisebridge.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
> A quick note, I need to go get on a plane. The Dante who was at the meeting
> the other night and who was asked to leave (the tweaker dude) was a
> different person named Dante.
>
> - liz
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my side; it
>> is clear to me now what this is.
>>
>> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
>> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when Lillian
>> asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid down on the
>> table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks, I readied
>> the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper thigh. She
>> stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I stopped, moved
>> away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room. There was never
>> a "what the fuck are you doing?".
>>
>> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not out of
>> my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff doesn't
>> have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices; that and
>> the killing South Americans bit.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think Dante
>> was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is unquestionably
>> her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email invitation to a
>> 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as feminine and started
>> this whole process about three weeks after Lillian left; it was then that
>> Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds trite until I add that she
>> accepted my friend request after leaving SF for wherever she is now.
>>
>> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
>> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz on
>> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
>> regarding this for possible subpoena.
>>
>> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
>> -dru
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you pinned
>>> me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any permission at
>>> all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what the fuck you
>>> were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew, and it took me
>>> so long to report anything because I was worried about hurting someone I
>>> thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on cocaine or something,
>>> which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It wasn't until other
>>> people made me realize this wasn't just a one off incident that I decided to
>>> report what had happened. I recall you making creepy sexual comments about
>>> others way before this incident too, so looking back now I don't find what
>>> happened surprising and I probably could have prevented being violated.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt throughout
>>>> this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by the
>>>> anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and this
>>>> hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
>>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and affects me
>>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug network now,
>>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is
>>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience well
>>>> documented -dru
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
>>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before. But, I
>>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of meetings.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come back to
>>>>> Noisebridge.   I do not think this is a good idea.  Basically, I don't want
>>>>> to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either Jesse and Dru
>>>>> have behaved.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
>>>>> openness.  To keep that good for as many people as possible we do need to
>>>>> have good boundaries.  And ask people who have shown great disrespect for
>>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their issues to
>>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in the middle
>>>>> of an space without much in the way of rules or safety.  Sexual assault and
>>>>> other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each other. I want to
>>>>> be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell others they are likely
>>>>> relatively safe there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Liz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs
>>>>> <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to be
>>>>>> kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some EXTREMELY
>>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far beyond creepy.
>>>>>> I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to Liz. I had
>>>>>> asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous. I'm coming out
>>>>>> of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get rid of someone
>>>>>> who poses a high threat to other members of the community (both male and
>>>>>> female, trans and cis).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not show
>>>>>> up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up, because
>>>>>> others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't feel
>>>>>> safe around Andrew either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>>>> Liz Henry
>>>>> lhenry at mozilla.com
>>>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
>>>>>
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