[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.
martinbogo at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 03:01:20 UTC 2013
Ronald .. a good friend of mine is Jewish, like me. His grandfather
was tortured and barely survived in WWII at a concentration camp. He
has a swastika tattooed on his wrist, with the slogan "Never Forget."
under it. On his shoulder, where you wouldn't see it normally, is a
star of david and the number his grandfather was branded with
Now, if you didn't know him, what would you assume about the tattoo?
Sometimes, it helps to dig a bit deeper. Symbols, even hated ones,
are nothing without context.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Snail here. Hate speech (even in the form of tatoo's) is not
> excellent. Always, with like no exceptions.
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Am I the only one here reading these two comments and saying "WHAT THE
>> EVERLASTING FUCK?? HOW ARE YOU SO OK WITH THIS. I AM NOT OK WITH THIS. THIS
>> IS NOT OK."
>> I don't feel very casual or comfortable at all about someone waltzing
>> around with a white power slogan, whether they "mean it" or not. If they
>> didn't "mean it" they would know better, they would know to cover it up,
>> because this shit is scary.
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>
>>> I've known people--skinheads--who've infiltrated violent racist skinhead
>>> groups with great success; I realize people have a lot of reasons to get
>>> inked and he may enjoy being approached about it in a friendly, initially
>>> non-judgmental manner. If he's going to be a regular, I'd like to be able to
>>> explain to others why I'm OK with him being here.
>>> On Jun 17, 2013 4:35 PM, "maestro" <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> # some beings want you to walk on eggshells even @ NB.
>>>> # bet you 73 bitcoins if it was a black chick with ink that said>>
>>>> # black pride or black power or another culture doing the same>>
>>>> # NO ONE would say a word about it, especially to them.
>>>> # do they actually know what the asian ink SAYS and MEANS>>
>>>> # that comes through the house?
>>>> # the latino ink?
>>>> # the russian ink?
>>>> # the invisible ink?
>>>> # nope.
>>>> # +1 jim
>>>> # and white power isn't always a racial slogan it's the rascist minds>>
>>>> # and race baiters that interpret it that way and want others to.
>>>> # though of course it *is* used by beings with negative intonation.
>>>> # how does anyone know he didn't do it in the pen to get affiliated
>>>> # survive.
>>>> end comments
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