[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

Jeffrey Faden jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 15:24:51 UTC 2013


So far in this discussion it's only been white dudes who have been defending this White Power asshole.
Jeffrey

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you hep and snail, well said. I wonder if you might want to join me
> in hosting an anti-racism workshop in the space some time in the next few
> weeks -- in July. Another possibility is having an antiracism meeting
> happen where some of us can develop and disseminate some of these core
> values and assert them in the space.
> - liz
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>> I just can't even with any of this. As a someone of minority descent, i
>> find everything about this entire discussion incredibly offensive,
>> off-putting, and pretty much the lot of you should be ashamed of yourself.
>> This is not the way to be inclusive to any minorities for this space.
>>
>> To whoever brought up weev: i am not sure what your point is considering I
>> am probably the person on the internet who has argued about his endless
>> fucking bullshit shock tactic racism the most. YES YOU SHOULD HAVE KICKED
>> HIM OUT. Free speech has to do with CONGRESS making laws barring speech. It
>> has nothing to do with whether a hackerspace has to be inclusive,
>> supportive, or otherwise encourage racist or offensive speech. When you try
>> and mold the free speech argument to validate this bullshit behavior in a
>> social group, all you are doing is saying you are ok as a social group with
>> those morals, that they are more important than anyone who might be put off
>> as the target of them. On this thread you are all trying to qualify
>> someone's racism. Does no one out there actually understand what free
>> speech means and what it pertains to? I just do not understand why people
>> are so intent on validating the truly shitty things people say. You have
>> the right to say whatever you want. I have the right to tell you to stfu.
>> As a culture, noisebridge has the right to say it does not tolerate certain
>> kinds of speech, because it alienates huge portions of the potential
>> outreached population.
>>
>> If the guy is a reformed skin and just can't afford to recover tattoos?
>> THEN BUY A FUCKING SHARPIE AND COLOR OVER IT EVERY DAY. People here are the
>> REAL victims of this bullshit. I grew up with stories of how my dad who is
>> mixed race was beat up in town for his heritage. On my mother's side most
>> of them have been beat up and told to "go back to mexico" (we are from San
>> Francisco since the 1700s). I was beat up in high school almost every week
>> for being half latina. The Civil Rights Movement which saw the Black
>> Panthers gunned down in Oakland, and violence to minorities all over the
>> Bay Area happened only 50yr ago. Incredibly amounts of oppression and
>> violence are leveled at minorities in communities throughout the Bay up to
>> today. The Bay Area is already one of the most racist and racially charged
>> areas in the country.
>>
>> Everyone makes dumb mistakes when they are young. Everyone deserves to be
>> able to change and grow beyond them. But someone who is actively sporting
>> white power tattoos needs to understand that the choice they made when
>> young (completely different than someone born with brown skin through no
>> fault of their own btw for whatever idiot brought up "judging someone on
>> the way they look!!111" as if it is at ALL a valid comparison. racism =
>> judging someone on a racist tattoo, you heard it here first.) will still
>> actively negatively influence people it was directed at REGARDLESS OF
>> WHETHER THAT IS STILL THEIR INTENT. Sucks that they got a white power
>> tattoo. There are plenty of options for covering or otherwise concealing
>> someone one chose to have and now regrets. Know what really sucks? Getting
>> the shit beaten out of you because you realized too late that the guy with
>> the racist tattoo was actually a racist.
>>
>> If someone has an I AM A RAPIST tattoo on their face, I am not going to
>> sit around and ponder whether it's ironic or whether they are just fucking
>> stupid. Give me a fucking break. I cannot believe that we are even having
>> to discuss this and I cannot believe that on another thread there is some
>> bullshit about a guy trying to defend himself court of law style over
>> whether he groped a girl or not, as if she isn't a grown fucking adult who
>> is capable of talking about what happened to her and what she directly
>> witnessed to her person. Noisebridge: you continue to outdo yourself. hep
>> out. *mike drop*
>>
>> -hep
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:20 PM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assuming he wasn't born with a swastika birthmark. Getting a tattoo
>>> is behavior.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:01 PM, LinkReincarnate <
>>> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> People should be judged by their behavior not anything else.  If this
>>>> person is seen exhibiting racist behavior then kick him out.
>>>>
>>>> Policy at noisebridge that says if you have kids you accept the
>>>> responsibility of them seeing/hearing about topics beyond your control. I
>>>> think this does/should apply to adults in the space as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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