[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

Norman pryankster at gmail.com
Wed Jun 19 16:48:59 UTC 2013


My experience has been that the people that need/should to be at the 
workshop are the people that aren't there.

Norman

On 6/19/2013 7:30 AM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
> Could we possibly host a workshop on combating lookism and ablism?
>
> Also, on the subject of the sexual assault/sexual harassment workshop, I could line up a couple non-cis-gendered, non-white people to speak on the subject of dealing with false accusations of sexual assault.
>
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> --- On Tue, 6/18/13, Liz Henry  wrote:
>
> > From: Liz Henry
> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.
> > To: "hep"
> > Cc: "NoiseBridge Discuss"
> > Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 8:17 AM
> > Thank you hep and snail, well said.
> > I wonder if you might want to join me in hosting an
> > anti-racism workshop in the space some time in the next few
> > weeks -- in July. Another possibility is having an
> > antiracism meeting happen where some of us can develop and
> > disseminate some of these core values and assert them in the
> > space.
> >
> >
> > - liz
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013
> > at 11:55 PM, hep
> > wrote:
> >
> > I just can't even with any of this. As a
> > someone of minority descent, i find everything about this
> > entire discussion incredibly offensive, off-putting, and
> > pretty much the lot of you should be ashamed of yourself.
> > This is not the way to be inclusive to any minorities for
> > this space.
> >
> >
> > To whoever brought up weev: i am not sure what
> > your point is considering I am probably the person on the
> > internet who has argued about his endless fucking bullshit
> > shock tactic racism the most. YES YOU SHOULD HAVE KICKED HIM
> > OUT. Free speech has to do with CONGRESS making laws barring
> > speech. It has nothing to do with whether a hackerspace has
> > to be inclusive, supportive, or otherwise encourage racist
> > or offensive speech. When you try and mold the free speech
> > argument to validate this bullshit behavior in a social
> > group, all you are doing is saying you are ok as a social
> > group with those morals, that they are more important than
> > anyone who might be put off as the target of them. On this
> > thread you are all trying to qualify someone's racism.
> > Does no one out there actually understand what free speech
> > means and what it pertains to? I just do not understand why
> > people are so intent on validating the truly shitty things
> > people say. You have the right to say whatever you want. I
> > have the right to tell you to stfu. As a culture,
> > noisebridge has the right to say it does not tolerate
> > certain kinds of speech, because it alienates huge portions
> > of the potential outreached population.
> >
> >
> > If the guy is a reformed skin and just can't
> > afford to recover tattoos? THEN BUY A FUCKING SHARPIE AND
> > COLOR OVER IT EVERY DAY. People here are the REAL victims of
> > this bullshit. I grew up with stories of how my dad who is
> > mixed race was beat up in town for his heritage. On my
> > mother's side most of them have been beat up and told to
> > "go back to mexico" (we are from San Francisco
> > since the 1700s). I was beat up in high school almost every
> > week for being half latina. The Civil Rights Movement which
> > saw the Black Panthers gunned down in Oakland, and violence
> > to minorities all over the Bay Area happened only 50yr ago.
> > Incredibly amounts of oppression and violence are leveled at
> > minorities in communities throughout the Bay up to today.
> > The Bay Area is already one of the most racist and racially
> > charged areas in the country.
> >
> >
> > Everyone makes dumb mistakes when they are young.
> > Everyone deserves to be able to change and grow beyond them.
> > But someone who is actively sporting white power tattoos
> > needs to understand that the choice they made when young
> > (completely different than someone born with brown skin
> > through no fault of their own btw for whatever idiot brought
> > up "judging someone on the way they look!!111" as
> > if it is at ALL a valid comparison. racism = judging someone
> > on a racist tattoo, you heard it here first.) will still
> > actively negatively influence people it was directed at
> > REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THAT IS STILL THEIR INTENT. Sucks that
> > they got a white power tattoo. There are plenty of options
> > for covering or otherwise concealing someone one chose to
> > have and now regrets. Know what really sucks? Getting the
> > shit beaten out of you because you realized too late that
> > the guy with the racist tattoo was actually a racist.
> >
> >
> >
> > If someone has an I AM A RAPIST tattoo on their face, I am
> > not going to sit around and ponder whether it's ironic
> > or whether they are just fucking stupid. Give me a fucking
> > break. I cannot believe that we are even having to discuss
> > this and I cannot believe that on another thread there is
> > some bullshit about a guy trying to defend himself court of
> > law style over whether he groped a girl or not, as if she
> > isn't a grown fucking adult who is capable of talking
> > about what happened to her and what she directly witnessed
> > to her person. Noisebridge: you continue to outdo yourself.
> > hep out. *mike drop*
> >
> >
> > -hep
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013
> > at 11:20 PM, John Shutt
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm assuming he wasn't born with a
> > swastika birthmark. Getting a tattoo is behavior.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 17,
> > 2013 at 11:01 PM, LinkReincarnate
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > People should
> > be judged by their behavior not anything else.  If this
> > person is seen exhibiting racist behavior then kick him
> > out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Policy at noisebridge that says if you have kids
> > you accept the responsibility of them seeing/hearing about
> > topics beyond your control. I think this does/should apply
> > to adults in the space as well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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