[Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] Asked to leave: Tony Longshanks & Veronica
danny at spesh.com
Sun Jun 30 04:59:00 UTC 2013
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
> OMG. This is such crazy.
> [ popcorn.gif goes here ]
> Which closet are we talking about? The one on the opposite side of the
> elevator door on the ground level?
> That's just scary.
Adding the drama tag.
Tony emailed Leif and I with an alternative theory of why he was asked to
leave. Apparently (as explained below) Leif is an agent of an ongoing plan
by Google and other tech firms to take over Noisebridge, as with the rest
of the city. The coup apparently involves an "ethnic cleansing" of
Noisebridge. I may be reading this wrong, but the correspondence below
should spell it out in Tony's own words.
(I think it's going to be a bit of a tough row to hoe to suggest that me,
Leif, and/or Tom are working for Google and a sinister corporatist techno
elite. I work for the EFF, Tom works for Tor, and Leif works on
Tahoe-LAFS. Though thinking about it I guess we are all, in some way,
working for Big Crypto.)
This is what I meant by saying my patience for dealing with certain people
in the space has now reached a limit. If your model of how Noisebridge, and
the world, works means that you think being asked to leave Noisebridge
because you trapped yourself in a tiny room you know full well you're not
supposed to be in, and almost killing yourself in the process, is, in fact,
a final damning indicator that your local hackerspace is being taken over
from its rightful inhabitants by ... technologists... I'm kind of at a
loss. It's sort of like declaring that when you were asked to leave the
library because of that time you built a lean-to out of the magazine racks
and tried to kindle a make-shift campfire out of the dictionaries, the
*real* reason was because of those bastard archivists and their
---- Forwarded conversation ----
This sounds serious. Do you mind if I mail your first message (or any of
the rest of them, up to you), to noisebridge-discuss?
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
> What happened last night was that little prick Tom attacking everyone in
> the space who wasn't a nice little white hetero tech boy. The ethnic
> cleansing of Noisebridge is under way. It's sickening. When I stepped in
> defend my friend from his attack, he turned the attack on me. For all the
> good it did him. We did not bow to his orders as he does not run
> Noisebridge. Leif was merely trying to calm him down & get us to leave,
> like a good little Google toad.
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
> anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You are wrong.
>> And I refused to leave last night for the reasons already stated.
>> Anarchy does not equal Google & techno elitists making decisions behind
>> closed doors.
>> You are clearly part of the problem, on the wrong side, & what's
>> happening to Noisebridge is happening all over the City. Those who are
>> part of the elite are under the attack. No, we will not let you have this
>> great City without a fight. I refuse your request. I may be at
>> between now & Tuesday. And I do plan to attend the meeting Tuesday. And I
>> will not be alone!
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Tony,
>>> Reading between the lines, Leif asked you to leave. I would also ask you
>>> to leave and come back to meeting, because you hid in a space in our
>>> environment which we're not allowed to be, and put your own life and
>>> Noisebridge's entire existence at risk. (My understanding was someone
>>> had to clear up your shit, literally. I could be wrong though.)
>>> Leaving and coming back to a meeting is, as you know, how we deal with
>>> disagreements like this. Of course, you can certainly decide *not* to
>>> leave, but I've never heard that actually help the person involved.
>>> respect for Noisebridge's process is a positive thing when people in the
>>> community are unhappy with your actions.
>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
>>> anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Who do you work for, Leif?
>>>> Is it Google?
>>>> I'd like to ask you & the others I've CC'd on this message to publicly
>>>> disclose who you work for.
>>>> I'd also like *a list of board members* of this supposedly anarchist
>>>> hackerspace, which has obviously been or is in the process of being
>>>> over by Google and/or the other major tech firms in this City (which
>>>> so much from San Francisco & give so little back).
>>>> And what was it you told me & a couple visitors to the space a while
>>>> back about Google sponsoring NB with two large matching grants?
>>>> BTW, your buddy Tom---is that his name?---is going to get his wish this
>>>> I was planning to attend anyway to defend Pirate Mike from your
>>>> unilateral ousting of him (based on an email from 9 years ago that you
>>>> up? What is this, the New McCarthyism?)
>>>> I'm not coming to "beg forgiveness" of the community for smashing
>>>> through a drywall to save my life, however.
>>>> I refused to leave the space & never come back last night for two
>>>> 1) I asked someone to leave the space a while back, informed the entire
>>>> community of this request via NB Discuss, & my request was disregarded.
>>>> 2) Leaving the space forever will give people like yourself & Tom
>>>> control over Noisebridge, which is exactly what they want. Fuck if I'm
>>>> gonna give the piglets exactly what they want without a fight!
>>>> I may be at Noisebridge between now & then. As stated, I refuse the
> There was poop in there?
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> > Hi Carl,
> > I agree with Tom that Tony should never come back to noisebridge after
> > he did to the building. If he wants to come back to the space, I would
> > consider it a pre-requisite that he first pays back the landlord for the
> > damage done to the staircase in the process of rescuing him. (material
> > costs, labor, and his time) first.
> > Also he didn't clean up after himself, and so instead, Dan had to clean
> > for him. Days of human shit and all of tony's abandoned property,
> > apparently. I assume Tony just wants us and the landlord to forget all
> > about that so that he can continue to use noisebridge for whatever he
> > it for.
> > As for your question of whether he's a repeat offender, i think Tony has
> > offended a lot of people at noisebridge over and over again, and he has
> > changed. I think he has had way too many chances and just stay the fuck
> > away. But as i said, if he wants to come to a meeting he should first
> > back the landlord and Dan for their troubles.
> > -jake
> > P.S. apparently Harvey is living in the stairwell and gets trapped there
> > sometimes.
> > Carl wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> > I understand that Tony having been trapped in the closet was a while ago,
> > and despite that he shouldn't have been there, I'm sure he didn't intend
> > become trapped. Unless he's been a repeat offender, shouldn't he at
> > be given a second chance, as he's likely learned his lesson?
> > What I would like to know is: Was it previously consensed on at a
> > that he should be banned from the space? And if not, is this your main
> > only real argument for telling him never to come back? What authority do
> > you have for telling him this, as opposed to simply telling him to leave
> > come back to a meeting to discuss this, which is the usual procedure? As
> > as I recall, no one has suggested Tony has ever been a threat to anyone
> > the space, so I would like to know more about why people are insisting
> > he be banned.
> > I am just trying to find out more about this issue.
> > Thanks
> > -Carl
> > (I cannot currently post to the discuss list. Feel free to CC your reply
> > the list if you wish to do so.)
> > On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:00 AM, noisebridge-discuss-request at
> > lists.noisebridge.net wrote:
> >> From: Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com>
> >> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Asked to leave: Tony Longshanks &
> > Veronica
> >> Date: June 28, 2013 10:57:44 PM PDT
> >> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >> This evening, I asked two people to leave Noisebridge.
> >> I asked Tony Longshanks LeTigre to leave and never come back. I did so
> >> because of the events leading up to him being trapped in the closet
> >> behind the elevator and breaking out through the drywall. During our
> >> discussion he affirmatively stated that he was in that space because
> >> he was storing items there. I told him that this was unacceptable.
> >> I asked Veronica to and not to return unless she wanted to discuss our
> >> disagreement at a meeting. Our disagreement centered around leaving
> >> food at Noisebridge, and one's obligations with respect to ensuring
> >> that everything is cleared up afterwards. Veronica took issue with my
> >> tone.
> >> I also had a discussion with Jim, who had brought the food which
> >> prompted my conversation with Veronica. He asserted that he always
> >> ensured that food he brings is cleared up. His response to my request
> >> to clean up was combative, but he left immediately.
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