[Noisebridge-discuss] door "security": culture, not policy.

Sai noisebridge at saizai.com
Sat Mar 23 03:51:21 UTC 2013


So are there any criteria you can articulate for when to not let
someone into the building?

If not, I suggest giving up on that idea and making it about
humanization. IMO it's a strategy much more likely to be effective
than "do they look suspicious on the grainy street cam" pseudostrategy
which is in place now.

- Sai

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> i'm just saying that the act of letting people into the building is a big
> deal and people should take responsibility for it and use their best
> judgement.
>
> the alternative is not working.
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2013, Sai wrote:
>
>> So… practical question.
>>
>> I can see that, if you're intending to prevent someone from entering,
>> you should do so at the street. However… that doesn't really seem to
>> be in the cards here.
>>
>> If someone wants in to NB, they can probably get in, by waiting for
>> someone to use the door, asking someone else to let them in, etc etc.
>> AFAICT the point of the "greet at door" bit is not to turn people
>> away, but to humanize the space, make sure new people get introduced,
>> have others aware of who's walking around, that sort of thing.
>>
>> You seem to be suggesting otherwise, so: could you please suggest
>> guidelines for who you think should be refused entrance, that can be
>> done via a shitty videophone? E.g. what questions must someone be able
>> to answer over intercom? Must they be recognized by someone in the
>> space? Must they not look some particular way?
>>
>> I'd bet that you can't. (Possibly with the exception of uniformed
>> police or obvious Secret Service?)
>>
>>
>> Unless I'm wrong with that bet, I'd suggest we own up to the fact that
>> what's really on the table is face-to-face interaction in the space,
>> with the (extremely rare) possibility of ejecting someone who is there
>> — and not, really, turning people away at the gate.
>>
>> The two call for fairly different responses. Moving the lock to the
>> top door would help for the humanize version. A better camera and a
>> door way light would help for at-the-gate version.
>>
>> - Sai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> here we go again...
>>>
>>> also i'll remind everyone that as tenants of 2169 mission it is our
>>> responsibility to not allow anyone into the building (past the main gate)
>>> who we are not allowing into the third floor.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028220.html
>>>
>>> [Noisebridge-discuss] Upstairs door latch mechanism?
>>> Jake jake at spaz.org
>>> Fri Feb 10 02:34:39 PST 2012
>>>
>>> I guess a bunch of people have been talking about latching or locking the
>>> upstairs door.
>>>
>>> Are you people crazy?  Don't you realize that by the time someone is
>>> upstairs they feel as though they are practically inside the space
>>> already?
>>>
>>> If you can't turn someone away at the sidewalk, and they get to the top
>>> of
>>> the stairs, it is only going to make them angry if you refuse to let them
>>> in.  It is going to create more conflict, not less, especially if you use
>>> the smarmy little porthole to shield yourself while refusing to let
>>> someone in while someone else comes up behind you and second-guesses your
>>> decision in front of the person.
>>>
>>> have you ever been at a teller window (post office for example) where the
>>> clerk, who is telling you NO you can't have what you came here for, is
>>> isolated behind a 2" thick piece of lexan with a tiny little breathing
>>> hole where you're supposed to talk and listen through?  Do you remember
>>> feeling hostility toward that person and wondering what you would do if
>>> you could reach through the little hole and strangle them?
>>>
>>> well that's whats going to happen to you if you try to keep people out at
>>> the top of the stairs, because eventually someone is going to open the
>>> door and that person is going to come in anyway, and be pissed at you.
>>>
>>> We need to focus on bouncing people at the sidewalk door.  If you are
>>> having trouble understanding this concept, please ask some people whose
>>> opinion you trust before continuing with this idea of locking the
>>> upstairs
>>> door.
>>>
>>> sincerely,
>>> -jake
>>>
>>> Casey Callendrello wrote (Thu Feb 9 22:58:35 PST 2012):
>>>
>>> Hi there.
>>> The upstairs door is already keyed with the A-key. However, the latch
>>> mechanism has been removed. Does anyone know where it is?
>>>
>>> If not, I'll try to order a new one. The crash bar is a "Von Duprin 44".
>>> However, these parts are surprisingly expensive and hard to track down.
>>>
>>> --c.
>>>
>>>
>>> Casey Callendrello wrote:
>>> Adding a lock to the upstairs door is quite doable. I've looked in to
>>> this before. There are a few things that need to be done:
>>>
>>> 1) Some boring locksmithy stuff of getting some locks re-keyed
>>> 2) Re-building the elevator lobby door. Not too hard
>>> 3) Electronic strikes for both doors
>>> 4) Pin pads for both doors
>>>
>>> 1 and 2 are easy. 3 and 4 are also pretty simple, but will take some
>>> proper effort.
>>>
>>> --Casey
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/21/13 11:34 AM, Martin Bogomolni wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In changing the problem I'm aligned with Rachel.  Move the lock from
>>>> -downstairs- to the upstairs door.   Also move the pin pad to the
>>>> upstairs door.
>>>>
>>>> For our mobility-impaired members, and people who come on bikes, do
>>>> the same with an alternate wide door at the top landing where the
>>>> elevator is.   (Wall up the side door, make a sure door in front of
>>>> the elevator.   It's relatively easy to frame it up and put in a
>>>> prehung door.   Costs are pretty controlled for this.
>>>>
>>>> -M
>>>
>>>
>>>
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