[Noisebridge-discuss] door "security": culture, not policy.
sundquistjames at gmail.com
Sat Mar 23 04:14:23 UTC 2013
Having a good door light would be awesome! It is impossible to see
anything once it gets dark on the video monitor
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Sai <noisebridge at saizai.com> wrote:
> So… practical question.
> I can see that, if you're intending to prevent someone from entering,
> you should do so at the street. However… that doesn't really seem to
> be in the cards here.
> If someone wants in to NB, they can probably get in, by waiting for
> someone to use the door, asking someone else to let them in, etc etc.
> AFAICT the point of the "greet at door" bit is not to turn people
> away, but to humanize the space, make sure new people get introduced,
> have others aware of who's walking around, that sort of thing.
> You seem to be suggesting otherwise, so: could you please suggest
> guidelines for who you think should be refused entrance, that can be
> done via a shitty videophone? E.g. what questions must someone be able
> to answer over intercom? Must they be recognized by someone in the
> space? Must they not look some particular way?
> I'd bet that you can't. (Possibly with the exception of uniformed
> police or obvious Secret Service?)
> Unless I'm wrong with that bet, I'd suggest we own up to the fact that
> what's really on the table is face-to-face interaction in the space,
> with the (extremely rare) possibility of ejecting someone who is there
> — and not, really, turning people away at the gate.
> The two call for fairly different responses. Moving the lock to the
> top door would help for the humanize version. A better camera and a
> door way light would help for at-the-gate version.
> - Sai
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> > here we go again...
> > also i'll remind everyone that as tenants of 2169 mission it is our
> > responsibility to not allow anyone into the building (past the main gate)
> > who we are not allowing into the third floor.
> > [Noisebridge-discuss] Upstairs door latch mechanism?
> > Jake jake at spaz.org
> > Fri Feb 10 02:34:39 PST 2012
> > I guess a bunch of people have been talking about latching or locking the
> > upstairs door.
> > Are you people crazy? Don't you realize that by the time someone is
> > upstairs they feel as though they are practically inside the space
> > already?
> > If you can't turn someone away at the sidewalk, and they get to the top
> > the stairs, it is only going to make them angry if you refuse to let them
> > in. It is going to create more conflict, not less, especially if you use
> > the smarmy little porthole to shield yourself while refusing to let
> > someone in while someone else comes up behind you and second-guesses your
> > decision in front of the person.
> > have you ever been at a teller window (post office for example) where the
> > clerk, who is telling you NO you can't have what you came here for, is
> > isolated behind a 2" thick piece of lexan with a tiny little breathing
> > hole where you're supposed to talk and listen through? Do you remember
> > feeling hostility toward that person and wondering what you would do if
> > you could reach through the little hole and strangle them?
> > well that's whats going to happen to you if you try to keep people out at
> > the top of the stairs, because eventually someone is going to open the
> > door and that person is going to come in anyway, and be pissed at you.
> > We need to focus on bouncing people at the sidewalk door. If you are
> > having trouble understanding this concept, please ask some people whose
> > opinion you trust before continuing with this idea of locking the
> > door.
> > sincerely,
> > -jake
> > Casey Callendrello wrote (Thu Feb 9 22:58:35 PST 2012):
> > Hi there.
> > The upstairs door is already keyed with the A-key. However, the latch
> > mechanism has been removed. Does anyone know where it is?
> > If not, I'll try to order a new one. The crash bar is a "Von Duprin 44".
> > However, these parts are surprisingly expensive and hard to track down.
> > --c.
> > Casey Callendrello wrote:
> > Adding a lock to the upstairs door is quite doable. I've looked in to
> > this before. There are a few things that need to be done:
> > 1) Some boring locksmithy stuff of getting some locks re-keyed
> > 2) Re-building the elevator lobby door. Not too hard
> > 3) Electronic strikes for both doors
> > 4) Pin pads for both doors
> > 1 and 2 are easy. 3 and 4 are also pretty simple, but will take some
> > proper effort.
> > --Casey
> > On 3/21/13 11:34 AM, Martin Bogomolni wrote:
> >> In changing the problem I'm aligned with Rachel. Move the lock from
> >> -downstairs- to the upstairs door. Also move the pin pad to the
> >> upstairs door.
> >> For our mobility-impaired members, and people who come on bikes, do
> >> the same with an alternate wide door at the top landing where the
> >> elevator is. (Wall up the side door, make a sure door in front of
> >> the elevator. It's relatively easy to frame it up and put in a
> >> prehung door. Costs are pretty controlled for this.
> >> -M
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